Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season

[Shrimpergonzo]

Hmm...not so sure at all. Season can end at any point, it is only completed after all fixtures have been completed? Like a game can end at any time for all sorts of reasons but it’s only completed after 90 minutes.

Consensus and democracy is meaningless from a legal standpoint I think. I can believe the EFL hoping by not making the decision themselves and leaving it to the clubs that may think they can somehow hide in plain sight.

Unfortunately it seems to me increasingly clear that if a club goes to court then the competition rules are in fact clear and the EFL will likely lose. Of course the EFL would say we tried to go with what you all wanted but the nasty judge wouldn’t let us? Is it all now all about the EFL avoiding blame?

yes, that was exactly my point - I probably didn’t make it very well.

To illustrate it another way, the winner of a completed game gets 3 points, the team winning in a game that ended (floodlight failure, waterlogged pitch etc.) doesn’t.

Going for PPG feels like the equivalent of applying something like cricket’s Duckworth Lewis system instead of replaying the game/season.

I can see them introducing a PPG for future seasons if a certain threshold of games played is passed, in fact they would be foolish not to in case something similar happens again.

However to apply it this season - especially basing major decisions like promotion and relegation on it - seems like a legal challenge waiting to happen...

 

[Ricey]

Why ? Football would do well to adopt many of the qualities evident in rugby.

Don’t like rugby or anything about it, so don’t really want to be following in their footsteps. Just my opinion.

 

[Mick]

Don’t like rugby or anything about it, so don’t really want to be following in their footsteps. Just my opinion.

Pathetic bigotry.

You don't like the respect shown to the match officials and opponents ?

You don't like injured players trying to pretend they're not hurt rather than pathetic insidious cheating ?

You don't like the more open and transparent way they have implemented VAR ?

 

[Ricey]

Pathetic bigotry.

You don't like the respect shown to the match officials and opponents ?

You don't like injured players trying to pretend they're not hurt rather than pathetic insidious cheating ?

You don't like the more open and transparent way they have implemented VAR ?

Nope, if it was any other sport I probably would. Just don’t like rugby.

I think their fans are what make it worse by constantly pointing out the bad things about football. Why not just concentrate on the things that are great about your sport.... probably can’t because it’s ****.

Anyway I’ve hijacked this thread enough on that.

PPG is stupid!

 

[smudgster]

Null & void it completely then set up a League 1 North and a League 1 South. That way only the teams potentially getting promoted to the Championship would lose out. Plus hopefully more local derbies and less travelling costs. Clubs are going to need all the help they can get.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

Null & void it completely then set up a League 1 North and a League 1 South. That way only the teams potentially getting promoted to the Championship would lose out. Plus hopefully more local derbies and less travelling costs. Clubs are going to need all the help they can get.

Not much support for regional divide in divisions to be fair, a lot of support for wage caps

 

[kentblues]

Well, that wouldn't be put forward for a vote though as there isn't a requirement for further thoughts from teams so I am not remotely saying that.
What I am saying is if there is no precedent then it goes to a vote I thought?

The challenge with that is that the rules sufficiently apply in terms of relegation and promotion- I.e make clear relegation and promotions can only happy if all fixtures fulfilled? So it doesn’t require a vote.

If the EFL wanted something else to apply they should have stipulated that something different would happen if for some reason all fixtures could not be completed. I find it almost impossible to believe the legals drafting this didn’t recommend a clause or clauses covering this but whatever the reason it is as it is.

What there does need to be probably is a decision about not completing the remaining games- relegation and promotion is already covered (arguably) whereas for Normal Playing Season it doesn’t give a date? just that it’s after the last fixture is completed. If that can’t happen in the absence of the competition rules covering it the clubs have to make that decision.

Anyhow let’s just wait and see- I can’t be sure of how it would go but I would be absolutely br amazed if any determination by PPG that results in promotions and relegations is not challenged in court..

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

Imagine this. A club wins the playoffs but has a chairman who all the other chairmen hate (maybe because of something that have done). So they vote to only have 2 promotions that year?

Good job we're at the bottom!!.

 

[camden shrimper]

This was where I picked it up from - this is the Premiership which may operate under different rulings obviously

"Relegation means a financial hit somewhere in the region of £80 million and Bloom thought it unlikely that the required 70% of clubs would vote to send the three teams down."

Football news - No relegation if no more Premier League play, says Brighton owner Tony Bloom - TNT Sports

There is unlikely to be any relegation from the Premier League if the season ends with no more play possible because of coronavirus.

www.eurosport.co.uk

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

I don’t think PPG will work, as in our league, anyone can beat anyone if I was honest. We have improved this year under Sol, we more likely to finish with more than 30 pts which avoid finishing bottom lol.

 

[camden shrimper]

The fairest way isn't necessarily the most bullet proof if legally contested. I'd argue just Southend and Bolton should go down for example but arguably you can't have a half-way house on relegation.

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

Tranmere Rovers might have something to say about PPG, as they could end up staying up with an run of form they are on. Wimbledon is awful as they lost 6 from their last 10 games.

 

[Ricey]

Surely there would be more law suits if they did this than just completely voiding the season. It just doesn’t make sense to do it this way.

 

[overseas shrimper]

Nope, if it was any other sport I probably would. Just don’t like rugby.

I think their fans are what make it worse by constantly pointing out the bad things about football. Why not just concentrate on the things that are great about your sport.... probably can’t because it’s ****.

Anyway I’ve hijacked this thread enough on that.

PPG is stupid!

This reminds me of a match I watched at Roots Hall last season. I don't get to see many of our live games and there was this this old bloke with (I assume) his misses right behind me who kept saying, over and over... "this is why I prefer rugby" and "see why I like rugby?"

I couldn't take it. I turned to my partner and said purposely out loud, "if this sport is so bad, what the hell is he doing here?"

He did pipe down, thankfully.

Football is my sport, but I have nothing against rugby and do think they get a lot right in their sport.

 

[BriggBlue]

Not much support for regional divide in divisions to be fair, a lot of support for wage caps

Good, a regional divide would be a big step backwards travelling costs are such a small fraction of a clubs operating costs it would make no sense.

Local derbies feel more special because they don't happen very often, if every game was a local derby it would soon get a bit boring and a trip to a rubbish northern club in the cup would feel special.

 

[JIMSDAD]

Sorry if this has been argued/reasoned before.
Would it be conceivable to just amalgamate the remaining fixtures of the 2019-2020 season with the next full season that becomes playable, whether that be 2020-2021 or, god forbid, later.
That would mean the remaining fixtures would be completed as an included pre cursor to the next full season. All points accumulated and table positions reached would remain exactly the same. There would just be a continuation straight into the next seasons fixtures, effectively making it a double season.
I know this prolongs the outcome of anything, but, it would also kick into touch all the expected legal battles from dealing with things in the currently suggested ways.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Sorry if this has been argued/reasoned before.
Would it be conceivable to just amalgamate the remaining fixtures of the 2019-2020 season with the next full season that becomes playable, whether that be 2020-2021 or, god forbid, later.
That would mean the remaining fixtures would be completed as an included pre cursor to the next full season. All points accumulated and table positions reached would remain exactly the same. There would just be a continuation straight into the next seasons fixtures, effectively making it a double season.
I know this prolongs the outcome of anything, but, it would also kick into touch all the expected legal battles from dealing with things in the currently suggested ways.

It’s possible to do in theory, but in practice it would run into all sorts of issues - such as player contracts. For example, players would move on in the summer window and be replaced, altering the relative strength of the teams. Some teams would lose out and litigate. You couldn’t not have a window, because players whose contracts end cannot be compelled to stay - but having a window like that before the crucial run in would alter the complexion of the season being completed. There will be other issues too.

Voiding still remains the only sensible option.

 

[JIMSDAD]

I fully agree player contracts would be an issue, but by amalgamating the two seasons into one “super season”, the results/positions gained after + or minus 37 games, instead of being nearly the end of the season, become nearly half way through. Any players reaching the end of their contracts, would then just sign on for the remainder, or join those who are out of contract.
This would merely be changing a 46 match season into a 92 match season, hopefully making it the 2019-2021 Super Season. This would turn the Covid-19 pandemic into a mid season break.

 

[Maldon Shrimper]

Just watched the Andrew Marr programme who interviewed SteveParrish of Crystal Palace of course all about the Premiership nothing about EFL no surprise there.But a couple of points that was mentioned was how the Police haven't got the resources to properly police the stadiums and the testing was going to be made by private labs.It worth a listen to hear his views

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I fully agree player contracts would be an issue, but by amalgamating the two seasons into one “super season”, the results/positions gained after + or minus 37 games, instead of being nearly the end of the season, become nearly half way through. Any players reaching the end of their contracts, would then just sign on for the remainder, or join those who are out of contract.
This would merely be changing a 46 match season into a 92 match season, hopefully making it the 2019-2021 Super Season. This would turn the Covid-19 pandemic into a mid season break.

I agree it does have some positive aspects, as you set out, and I quite like the idea. However restating the positives doesn’t take away the negatives, and the negatives are the reason this won’t happen.