Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season

[Microbe]

Isn't that the same as a penalty shootout in reality?

Thats a way of deciding very high profile games elsewhere in the game.

 

[camden shrimper]

I haven't read further but presumably the shorter games idea is so they can fit games in closer proximity to each other, teams can play 3 or 4 times a week? or is it so they can play them back to back at the same venues?

 

[Stuart W]

I haven't read further but presumably the shorter games idea is so they can fit games in closer proximity to each other, teams can play 3 or 4 times a week? or is it so they can play them back to back at the same venues?

I've said it before, I will say it again....continue the season next March. In other words a 12 month break which would most likely incorporate a second wave of infections within that period.
All these wonderful ideas about how to end the season before August. Are people assuming that a new season then would be uninterrupted? A second wave in late autumn/winter would screw up next season as well. We would have the same discussions then that we are having now.
12 months without football wouldn't bother me. I would rather they found an effective, fair way of completing this season (albeit one year late), than some of these half thought out ideas of average points per game, promotions but no relegations, no play-offs etc etc.
Just treat it as an enforced 12 month lay-off and come back next March to end this season.

 

[Medway Blue]

I've said it before, I will say it again....continue the season next March. In other words a 12 month break which would most likely incorporate a likely second wave.
All these wonderful ideas about how to end the season before August. Are people assuming that a new season then would be uninterrupted? A second wave in late autumn/winter would screw up next season as well. We would have the same discussions then that we are having now.
12 months without football wouldn't bother me. I would rather they found an effective, fair way of completing this season (albeit one year late), than some of these half thought out ideas of average points per game, promotions but no relegations, no play-offs etc etc.
Just treat it as an enforced 12 month lay-off and come back next March to end this season.

You can’t come back to a season after a year away. Sorry, but it just won’t work.

 

[Stuart W]

You can’t come back to a season after a year away. Sorry, but it just won’t work.

And all these other ill thought out half-baked ideas will?
Without going into the issues of contracts and financing which I tried to cover in an earlier post on this thread, please elaborate rather than just say "it wouldn't work".

 

[Medway Blue]

And all these other ill thought out half-baked ideas will?
Without going into the issues of contracts and financing which I tried to cover in an earlier post on this thread, please elaborate rather than just say "it wouldn't work".

Blimey, where do I even start?

I will touch on contracts and financing because despite what you’ve previously said, those things alone make your solution nigh-on impossible, certainly for the lower leagues anyway.

But even leaving those things aside, come back to it after a whole year? Man, a lot of things can change in a year. I don’t think you can just pause an intensely competitive campaign and come back to it with everything the same a year later. There is a lot to be said for “momentum” and you can’t necessarily expect teams to get right back into the well-oiled rhythm after a whole year away from the environment of competitive matches. That could have a big sporting effect on those last 10 games and I don’t think that’s fair.

Pausing for a 2-3 months is one thing - a year is a whole other level. If the season can’t be completed by the end of June or July then it should be cancelled.

 

[Stuart W]

Blimey, where do I even start?

I will touch on contracts and financing because despite what you’ve previously said, those things alone make your solution nigh-on impossible, certainly for the lower leagues anyway.

But even leaving those things aside, come back to it after a whole year? Man, a lot of things can change in a year. I don’t think you can just pause an intensely competitive campaign and come back to it with everything the same a year later. There is a lot to be said for “momentum” and you can’t necessarily expect teams to get right back into the well-oiled rhythm after a whole year away from the environment of competitive matches. That could have a big sporting effect on those last 10 games and I don’t think that’s fair.

Pausing for a 2-3 months is one thing - a year is a whole other level. If the season can’t be completed by the end of June or July then it should be cancelled.

All I will say is that there was a BBC Have Your Say recently on the same subject, which offers both likes and dislikes to peoples' comments, and albeit from a small sample I received 19 likes and 2 dislikes to this suggestion.
I accept there would have to be a major restructuring within the game, combined with a far-reaching reallocation of money amongst the 91 league clubs and the professional non-league clubs.
However, the points about momentum and rhythm don't wash with me. It is the same for every club I.e. a level playing field. What about the 1962-63 season with virtually no games for three months due to the snow and ice? Yes, this would be longer but so what? Nobody could accuse it of being unfair to some teams and fair for others. Not like the other proposals where in each case some clubs would have a reason to feel badly done by, and the law-suits would come flying in.
Tell me one club who would have a justifiable grievance about re-starting this season next March ?

 

[RobM]

Would we want the season cancelled if we were 15 points clear at the top?

 

[Medway Blue]

All I will say is that there was a BBC Have Your Say recently on the same subject, which offers both likes and dislikes to peoples' comments, and albeit from a small sample I received 19 likes and 2 dislikes to this suggestion.
I accept there would have to be a major restructuring within the game, combined with a far-reaching reallocation of money amongst the 91 league clubs and the professional non-league clubs.
However, the points about momentum and rhythm don't wash with me. It is the same for every club I.e. a level playing field. What about the 1962-63 season with virtually no games for three months due to the snow and ice? Yes, this would be longer but so what? Nobody could accuse it of being unfair to some teams and fair for others. Not like the other proposals where in each case some clubs would have a reason to feel badly done by, and the law-suits would come flying in.
Tell me one club who would have a justifiable grievance about re-starting this season next March ?

Were all those 19 likes from Liverpool fans?

3 months is very different to a whole year. Momentum and rhythm might not wash with you, but they do with me. Nobody should want this matter limping on for a year. End the season, award the automatic promotions and have no relegations, and have next season start when it’s safe to do so. Draw a line under it, give clubs the certainty that they need so that they can start to plan, restructure and do whatever they need to do to prepare for the start of 2020/21, and use that time which would otherwise be spent going back and forth with hair-brained schemes to complete this season and appease our corporate and TV masters, to instead concentrate 100% on conducting a full root-and-branch analysis and restructure of everything that is wrong with the game in this country.

 

[southendkid]

All I will say is that there was a BBC Have Your Say recently on the same subject, which offers both likes and dislikes to peoples' comments, and albeit from a small sample I received 19 likes and 2 dislikes to this suggestion.
I accept there would have to be a major restructuring within the game, combined with a far-reaching reallocation of money amongst the 91 league clubs and the professional non-league clubs.
However, the points about momentum and rhythm don't wash with me. It is the same for every club I.e. a level playing field. What about the 1962-63 season with virtually no games for three months due to the snow and ice? Yes, this would be longer but so what? Nobody could accuse it of being unfair to some teams and fair for others. Not like the other proposals where in each case some clubs would have a reason to feel badly done by, and the law-suits would come flying in.
Tell me one club who would have a justifiable grievance about re-starting this season next March ?

If you went by the number of retweets and likes on election day Corbyn should have won by a landslide, extrapolating the views of people that use the comment section of a website to the general population is generally a bad idea. In any case the most popular option with the public may not even be viable depending on what it is.

 

[kentblues]

I haven't read further but presumably the shorter games idea is so they can fit games in closer proximity to each other, teams can play 3 or 4 times a week? or is it so they can play them back to back at the same venues?

I think its because players wont have played for so long that without a full season they will not be match fit and at risk of injury. Actually probably true- but regarded as very very unhelpful by the league given it has made even more people call for the season to end...

 

[kentblues]

I've said it before, I will say it again....continue the season next March. In other words a 12 month break which would most likely incorporate a second wave of infections within that period.
All these wonderful ideas about how to end the season before August. Are people assuming that a new season then would be uninterrupted? A second wave in late autumn/winter would screw up next season as well. We would have the same discussions then that we are having now.
12 months without football wouldn't bother me. I would rather they found an effective, fair way of completing this season (albeit one year late), than some of these half thought out ideas of average points per game, promotions but no relegations, no play-offs etc etc.
Just treat it as an enforced 12 month lay-off and come back next March to end this season.

And again the reason why it wont work is that with no football to March there will be many clubs out of business- and hence when they go to restart many of the teams will no longer be there. In your scenario a new season would need to start with enough teams for a max of 3 divisions.

It may happen by default but could never be the actual plan..

 

[Stuart W]

If you went by the number of retweets and likes on election day Corbyn should have won by a landslide, extrapolating the views of people that use the comment section of a website to the general population is generally a bad idea. In any case the most popular option with the public may not even be viable depending on what it is.

As a statistician I am well aware of this thank you, but in the absence of any other feedback I felt it was worth quoting. At least it shows 21 people had actually looked at my suggestion, whereas I get a general impression on here that a number of people post on a thread without looking back at earlier postings on the same thread.

 

[Medway Blue]

As a statistician I am well aware of this thank you, but in the absence of any other feedback I felt it was worth quoting. At least it shows 21 people had actually looked at my suggestion, whereas I get a general impression on here that a number of people post on a thread without looking back at earlier postings on the same thread.

I’ve been following this thread closely since it opened, and nothing that you or anyone else has posted has convinced me that anything other than cancelling the season is the right way to go, much less that postponing the final 10 games for an entire calendar year is any kind of solution.

 

[Pak Power]

I'm going to be completely selfish here, and say " as long as we stay up I don't care"

If we stay up I'm going to have my own 'socially distancing ' party , and get very drunk.

For me it will be like a promotion, as I really thought we would be playing League two football next season ( and the North of the county folk) If we somehow avoid it I will be very, very pleased.

 

[Evening Echo]

THE 2020-21 English Football League season may not start until crowds are allowed back into matches as its chairman Rick Parry said the desire to finish the current season was more to do with sporting integrity than a financial imperative.

More...

 

[kentblues]

Player wages and contracts will bankrupt EFL clubs: it's time for the PFA to act | Mark Palios

A radical solution is needed and the PFA has the money and the power to step in and help clubs that have no income for the foreseeable future

www.theguardian.com

A very good and detailed analysis - well worth a read

 

[Medway Blue]

Player wages and contracts will bankrupt EFL clubs: it's time for the PFA to act | Mark Palios

A radical solution is needed and the PFA has the money and the power to step in and help clubs that have no income for the foreseeable future

www.theguardian.com

A very good and detailed analysis - well worth a read

A lot of sense spoken there.

 

[SARF]

If the season is ’voided’ then you can’t have relegations or promotions. The teams in spots 3,4,5,6, etc still in with a reasonable shout would all have to agree ..

Finsih it now and dole out the prize money based on league position. Take premier money from the lower prem teams and give it to the higher placed championship teams on some scale . And carry on down the leagues. Now is the time to push it through when they have some public opinion on stopping sporting events behind them and can put at least a modicum of positive PR on it

 

[Lincoln Shrimp]

Darragh MacAnthony is another man who talks an awful lot of sense (see the attached article again from the Guardian). A man with his business acumen and knowledge of the finances associated with owning/running a lower league club needs to be listened to by those running the game. We all know that won't ever happen though. Instead we will continue to get rediculous ideas such as shortening a game of football to ensure we get the season finished before the end of July!

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...y-it-cant-die-darragh-macanthony-peterborough