Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season

[BriggBlue]

A little bit harsh. In Formula 1 (not that I am an aficianado), races can be abandoned during the race due to a crash, or abandoned completely if the weather deems the track undriveable. Therefore they have to have regulations given these possible scenarios.
These scenarios don't apply in the same way in football.
I therefore think that blaming the EFL for not having the foresight to have a solution to a once in a century pandemic is totally unreasonable.

you could argue that footballs matches can get abandoned for all sorts of reasons too, in fact they really have set the precedent for how this should play out. If the floodlights fail in the 80th minute the game is abandoned and a new one starts at a later date regardless of the score at the time.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

I completely disagree. They didn't play a full season and neither did any of the clubs in relegation positions.

Almost every season some team chokes or pulls of an amazing run to stay up.

It was Liverpool’s title, no question. No way they could’ve been caught much like PSG in France. When it comes to potentially promoting teams from the Championship or lower who could easily have choked (Leeds being the prime example and they have form)...well, that’s where it gets more unfair. They should null and void the season .. no promotion/relegation and no “title” awarded though if they did award Liverpool the PL you couldn’t really complain. They’d always be saddled with the “it wasn’t a proper title” jibe.

 

[Ricey]

It was Liverpool’s title, no question. No way they could’ve been caught much like PSG in France. When it comes to potentially promoting teams from the Championship or lower who could easily have choked (Leeds being the prime example and they have form)...well, that’s where it gets more unfair. They should null and void the season .. no promotion/relegation and no “title” awarded though if they did award Liverpool the PL you couldn’t really complain. They’d always be saddled with the “it wasn’t a proper title” jibe.

But there was still mathematically a chance for them to bottle it. The only fair way to give them the title is to finish the season. If the season is null and voided then no one should be promoted/relegated or given any title.

 

[tallboyblue]

EFL is the boss isn’t it . So why can’t do what it wants to do?

 

[Chrisb]

But there was still mathematically a chance for them to bottle it. The only fair way to give them the title is to finish the season. If the season is null and voided then no one should be promoted/relegated or given any title.

Yes, surely the fact that no promotions or relegations had been mathematically confirmed should make it a lot less complicated to void.

 

[Grayson]

I wonder how much pressure gambling firms are exerting.

This must be killing them.

Every cloud .....

Sorry to disappoint but they're doing just fine. The nasty gambling firms are also ensuring all of their shop staff receive full pay during this period.

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

It was Liverpool’s title, no question. No way they could’ve been caught much like PSG in France. When it comes to potentially promoting teams from the Championship or lower who could easily have choked (Leeds being the prime example and they have form)...well, that’s where it gets more unfair. They should null and void the season .. no promotion/relegation and no “title” awarded though if they did award Liverpool the PL you couldn’t really complain. They’d always be saddled with the “it wasn’t a proper title” jibe.

I really couldn't give a bowl of noodles what goes on in the 1st division (that is what it is despite being renamed by some marketing wally) but I would have thought the easiest thing to do would be to get Liverpool to play two more games (assuming that they get 6 points) and then bin the whole season whilst giving the scousers the 1st division champions award.

Simple. Job done. End of.

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

Sorry to disappoint but they're doing just fine. The nasty gambling firms are also ensuring all of their shop staff receive full pay during this period.

Not where I live - the nearest bookies have closed down for good.

 

[Mad Cyril]

It was Liverpool’s title, no question. No way they could’ve been caught much like PSG in France. When it comes to potentially promoting teams from the Championship or lower who could easily have choked (Leeds being the prime example and they have form)...well, that’s where it gets more unfair. They should null and void the season .. no promotion/relegation and no “title” awarded though if they did award Liverpool the PL you couldn’t really complain. They’d always be saddled with the “it wasn’t a proper title” jibe.

 

[Mad Cyril]

Sorry to disappoint but they're doing just fine. The nasty gambling firms are also ensuring all of their shop staff receive full pay during this period.

I have no particular problem with sports betting or people who chose to work for gaming firms

It's the 25/7/365 fixed odds stuff I object to.

 

[camden shrimper]

Just listened to a fascinating (to my ears at least) piece all about how France have voted to end this season now as the new TV deal that is incoming for 2020/21 is worth significantly more and it's primarily to ensure they are ready for that... and there was me about to heap praise on them.

I intend to go to a game in each of the divisions that have put players first and pulled the plug at the first opportunity, the Dutch league etc. I appreciate the irony that they will be probably the last games I am allowed to attend.

 

[Shrimpergonzo]

I posted a link to an article about player contracts in the pinned post on that topic, but I thought I'd extract a few bits for here. Makes interesting reading in relation to a potential season restart (if it happens):

The EFL is advising clubs to decide on each player’s future by June 23. They must either offer a new contract, an extension to their current deal which expires at midnight on the final day of the season, or inform the player they are free to join a new club from July 1.

there will be no blanket agreement to extend all playing contracts, which are currently due to expire at the end of June.

players who have agreed terms with another club will not be eligible until the start of the 2020/21 campaign.

“The EFL have sent out advice on how contracts can be dealt with,” “They are saying extend contracts by mutual consent if you so wish."

“That could be for a month or on a week-by-week basis.

“If players don’t want to extend, you can pay them the usual severance money and they will leave.

“It is sensible for that to be done on a club by club basis.” (Peter Risdale, advisor to PNE)

There had been talk within the game over whether clubs could enforce so-called ‘solidarity clauses’ in players’ contracts to ensure they play through July These clauses state that if an out-of-contract player has not secured a move elsewhere by July 31, he is paid a month’s salary for that period by the club he has left.

It is understood, however, that legal issues could arise if clubs were to try and impose such a measure and so that scenario now looks unlikely.

Interesting stuff and will be fascinating to see how that plays out for us.

Here's a link to the whole article: https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/spo...-given-good-news-efl-player-contract-options/

 

[Murkey_Mouse]

But clubs want to get rid of them before 30th of June, Stevenage have 2 players under contract for another year the way things stand.

 

[kentblues]

There is nothing new. Even if the EFL were in denial we all knew that there was zero chance of blanket extensions (a stupid idea spouted by those who have zero understanding of the legal situation). The idea that player will play for an extra month or extend for an extra month or two is equally for the birds. No way will players accept doing that nor should the PFA support it- not least because the potential consequences of an injury in this period.

It is equally obvious and again has been for many weeks that come June 30 clubs will be releasing very very large numbers of out of contract players- an absolute financial necessity. Once done they will not have the available players to support the games to complete the season, and many clubs would be playing their u23s/academies or having half empty subs benches making a mockery of the idea that the integrity of game is being preserved.

Of course it all a mute point as the Prem have documented the only way the Prem can finish is with neutral grounds and all sorts of other highly costly arrangements. And its patently obvious to anyone with common sense (and therefore quite probably not the EFL) that their is zero chance of the EFL completing in a similar way.

So what does it all mean- well really no more than again we have known for some time- i.e. the EFL season will not be finishing but the EFL is determined not to say so. I guess letting the clubs know they can happily release players end of June implies it but they wont say it...

 

[camden shrimper]

I want the season to be canned, for safety reasons, and who is awarded, relegated, promoted is not a big issue for me. This will affect next season as well as this though. However if we are told the season can be completed governmentally and the league use this to enforce games I can envisage massively depleted squads, played behind closed doors and probably taking advantage of those younger and lacking in match experience signing off on the health risks for an opportunity to play league matches. This all feels so circular now though, let's see what Thursday's announcement brings.

 

[Tommy2holes]

I want the season to be canned, for safety reasons, and who is awarded, relegated, promoted is not a big issue for me. This will affect next season as well as this though. However if we are told the season can be completed governmentally and the league use this to enforce games I can envisage massively depleted squads, played behind closed doors and probably taking advantage of those younger and lacking in match experience signing off on the health risks for an opportunity to play league matches. This all feels so circular now though, let's see what Thursday's announcement brings.

Looks like Thursdays announcement is now Sunday.

Think this will be another nail in this seasons coffin.

 

[tallboyblue]

Looks like Thursdays announcement is now Sunday.

Think this will be another nail in this seasons coffin.

I don’t think there’s any more room for nails.

 

[leeblue]

Essentially football means naff all right now. Someone at the top needs to put some big boy pants on and void the season. At least then everyone knows where they stand and all this ridiculous talk of having humans literally sweating, spitting, pushing,Jostling, tackling, barging, marking each other during a global pandemic can just stop. Literally just stop it. Yes its rubbish waaah waah waaah. Dust off and be ready for the resumption of sport when it is safe to do so. 2 options are the only ones for me..avoid it or call it as it is now with automatic promotions etc decided accordingly. Obviously no play offs.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

Essentially football means naff all right now. Someone at the top needs to put some big boy pants on and void the season. At least then everyone knows where they stand and all this ridiculous talk of having humans literally sweating, spitting, pushing,Jostling, tackling, barging, marking each other during a global pandemic can just stop. Literally just stop it. Yes its rubbish waaah waah waaah. Dust off and be ready for the resumption of sport when it is safe to do so. 2 options are the only ones for me..avoid it or call it as it is now with automatic promotions etc decided accordingly. Obviously no play offs.

As I fan i think he EFL are being led and dont want to make a decision (and i do not understand why they wont pay the PL founds to the clubs unless it is to get them to do what they want), and it’s is very frustrating thats for sure. Personally I do not see any fans at football before January 2021, I would also be surprised if game started on time next season.

Now if I go to my job slide of things, the EFL are trying to find a way to resolve everything, but they are dithering and in someways want other leagues to take the lead. Voiding the season is by far the least preferred option of anyone, by that I mean the league, the FA or the clubs etc. This is because of the following FFP how is that handled if the season never took place, possible income stream problems for clubs and associations, what happens with penalties handed out for this season (ala BOlton) as they would then not have happened and clubs cannot be punished twice for the same thing there are other issues as well. If you award as is right now then you either find a way to play the playoffs or you just promote and relegate as we did before the playoffs existed to keep the same amount of teams going up and down. The other options being considered are average points per game, but there are still quite a few games to go so is that fair, L1 & L2 finishing and only the Championship and Prem finishing their season (the idea of the prem going to Aus seems silly to me they haven’t even decided what to do with there A. League as yet). So while progress is being made, slowly, there are a lot of questions. One other main issue is players, some players would sign an extended deal for a month or 2 for sure but that would be a very small percentage, the risks are too high especially if they think they can find a club, a lot will have a club lined up so will have no intention to play on for their current club, this means they cant play for their new German if the season continues and cant play for the old one as they would have no contract, hardly seems fair On the clubs or players i guess.

Most chairmen in the game would like to finish the season, or so they say. In L1 and L2 that is less mainly due to finances and who can blame them. In reality i expect L1 and L2 to finish with probably some half way house measure on promotion and no relegation (as much as I disagree with that). The championship clubs all want to finish if at all possible, this is what (along with the EPL) could delay the start of next season if the pandemic were to pass over the summer.

So overall while there is a will to resolve it is not as straight forward as it seems with so many associations and parties having their own input and own interests at heart. The good part is inthe last week more steps were made than in the previous 2 weeks so that is encouraging

 

[Tommy2holes]

The best thing to do would be to void the leagues.

Work out promotion and relegation and a package to make sure clubs survive and then agree a return date for training ie August with the start of the season behind closed doors and an agreement to play games in front of a paying public from say January 1st.

That way everyone would know where they stand and clubs, players and fans can plan accordingly for finances and arrange a season card to include PPV.

Makes much more sense than this nonsense at the moment.