Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season

[kentblues]

Fair enough.Still less than a point a game.That's relegation form.Our position in L1 certainly didn't improve though.Did it Milkey?

This improvement was latterly achieved playing the kids- not the highly paid under achievers at both the prior managers disposal. Give him a transfer window to get his own players in to blend with what we have then a fair comparison can be made. Making the point the kids were producing relegation form is not fair on them- they played good football, were competitive, and did better than what went before and should be congratulated...

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

This improvement was latterly achieved playing the kids- not the highly paid under achievers at both the prior managers disposal. Give him a transfer window to get his own players in to blend with what we have then a fair comparison can be made. Making the point the kids were producing relegation form is not fair on them- they played good football, were competitive, and did better than what went before and should be congratulated...

I genuinely hope he gets that transfer window to "get his own players in".Meanwhile the stats.don't lie. The fact that the kids merely produced relegation form is no reflection on them.It just shows what the reality was.

 

[tommy tucker]

hopefully the council will have there meeting As soon as possible .And the final hurdle can be over come get the government money for the building of the new stadium .And get the Tax paid .And start a new chapter in the life of Southend United .

 

[kentblues]

I genuinely hope he gets that transfer window to "get his own players in".Meanwhile the stats.don't lie. The fact that the kids merely produced relegation form is no reflection on them.It just shows what the reality was.

It does but again we shouldn't overlook that the stats indeed don't lie and say results improved despite having to play u23 and academy players. It seems there is a desire to minimise or overlook this achievement by the players and coaches sometimes (not saying by you but generally).

 

[in the know]

Stats seem to say they did:
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the embargo could well prevent any signings in the summer . EFL money i think will go to unpaid players before funding signings

 

[BriggBlue]

the embargo could well prevent any signings in the summer . EFL money i think will go to unpaid players before funding signings

just thinking about this, what happens if a players contract expires but they are still owed wages? I'm assuming it all gets very legal very quickly

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It does but again we shouldn't overlook that the stats indeed don't lie and say results improved despite having to play u23 and academy players. It seems there is a desire to minimise or overlook this achievement by the players and coaches sometimes (not saying by you but generally).

I think we were all thrilled by the (generally) much improved performances when the kids were thrown in.However,while Milkey's stats show that results improved slightly under SC, our position in the L1 Table certainly didn't.In normal circumstances, we'd have been relegated well before now.If the club is offered a lifeline by being given another season in L1, I hope the opportunity to progress won't be wasted.

 

[MilkeySUFC]

Fair enough.Still less than a point a game.That's relegation form.Our position in L1 certainly didn't improve though.Did it Milkey?

No denying all those points, TuiB, but in respect of the original statement "Results however didn't really improve under his management.", the stats say they did. Almost twice as good, on a points per game basis, and going from a negative to positive goal difference per game. That says, to me as least, Sol has done a good job and looks to have enough about him to think that, if he's given opportunity to assemble his own side, we'll do well under him.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

No denying all those points, TuiB, but in respect of the original statement "Results however didn't really improve under his management.", the stats say they did. Almost twice as good, on a points per game basis, and going from a negative to positive goal difference per game. That says, to me as least, Sol has done a good job and looks to have enough about him to think that, if he's given opportunity to assemble his own side, we'll do well under him.

I've already conceeded the basic point Milkey that the stats did improve (slightly) under Sol's management.However,you're not addressing my further points, than under SC we were still (at less than a point a game) nailed on for relegation.Nor did our position in the L1 table improve under Sol.Certainly agree with your last point that he deserves the chance to "assemble his own side" though I'm not so sure about your conclusion.

 

[tallboyblue]

Well the Academy programme has been terminated now so not long to go now maybe before the EFL finally knock the rest on the head.

 

[kentblues]

I've already conceeded the basic point Milkey that the stats did improve (slightly) under Sol's management.However,you're not addressing my further points, than under SC we were still (at less than a point a game) nailed on for relegation.Nor did our position in the L1 table improve under Sol.Certainly agree with your last point that he deserves the chance to "assemble his own side" though I'm not so sure about your conclusion.

But surely we were playing the kids? We seem to be splitting hairs and dancing on the head of pin to somehow separate praise for the teams improved performance when the majority were u23/academy, and somehow suggesting that the performance of the coaching team was somehow different?

They all together did a good job. The league position didn’t improve in part because how far we were adrift and in part because it was u23/academy competing well with other clubs first teams. So we should at least be able to agree the team and coaches did a good job?

Now if we have exactly the same team next season as now reliant on the kids of course we will likely find it tough. But I very much doubt that is the plan?

 

[Angell Delight]

That is the option that would cause most issues for the FA/EPL/EFL.

You wouldn't end up with a 23-team Premier League though, at least scrapping 2019/20 would stop leagues from having to restructure at the end of next season. And no team that misses out on promotion would have a cat-in-hell's chance of winning a court case for compensation surely. It's very unfortunate for those that miss out but no-one could have foreseen what's happened.

 

[kentblues]

Well the Academy programme has been terminated now so not long to go now maybe before the EFL finally knock the rest on the head.

Well the Prem has now said the ONLY way to complete the season in completing the 92 outstanding games at 10 highly regulated venues with 10s of thousands of tests.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out the chances of approaching 300 EFL games with 100s of thousands of tests taking place at a different set of highly controlled independent venues..

 

[Westcliff DGS]

You wouldn't end up with a 23-team Premier League though, at least scrapping 2019/20 would stop leagues from having to restructure at the end of next season. And no team that misses out on promotion would have a cat-in-hell's chance of winning a court case for compensation surely. It's very unfortunate for those that miss out but no-one could have foreseen what's happened.

Don’t think i disagree with you just saying thats the worst case for those bodies.

the court cases are the least if there issues re voiding. The main issues there are things like Bolton’s penalty points deduction, how to handle FFP, prize money already given out for cup round wins along with sponsiorship and tv revenue repayments for the league and clubs and many more

 

[Westcliff DGS]

Well the Prem has now said the ONLY way to complete the season in completing the 92 outstanding games at 10 highly regulated venues with 10s of thousands of tests.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out the chances of approaching 300 EFL games with 100s of thousands of tests taking place at a different set of highly controlled independent venues..

L1 and L2 wont continue its how it is ended that is taking the time in my opinion.

They may complete the championship but could also do the same as L1 and L2

 

[tallboyblue]

the embargo could well prevent any signings in the summer . EFL money i think will go to unpaid players before funding signings

The unknown factor though is in view of the latest plans for the stadium etc has Ron found a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow?

 

[Westcliff DGS]

The unknown factor though is in view of the latest plans for the stadium etc has Ron found a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow?

Ron has refinanced hasnt he? Believe the HMRC or someone else did after the winding up order was adjourned or dismissed

 

[Austin the Shrimper]

Well the Prem has now said the ONLY way to complete the season in completing the 92 outstanding games at 10 highly regulated venues with 10s of thousands of tests.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out the chances of approaching 300 EFL games with 100s of thousands of tests taking place at a different set of highly controlled independent venues..

cant see this happening. Even by testing the players, apparently would need at least 7 days between each fixture. Because signs of infection might not show up for 5 days. Was an interview with scientist on BBC saying he can’t see it happening or being safe.

 

[Stuart W]

I agree - not least because an odd number of teams means everyone takes it in turns to have a blank weekend - as we've had in League One this season since Bury's demise.

Been thinking about this:

If 2 go up from Champ to Prem and no relegation, that leaves 22 in the Prem

If the top 2 go up from L1 to Champ, then they will have the same size league next season

If the 3 Autos come up from L2 to L1 - that's where the imbalance occurs, we'll have 25 in League 1, but League 2 will only have 22 (assuming the top of the National League comes up and there's no relegation.

The solution would, I guess, say the top 2 in each division from Champ down to National League get promoted this season with no relegation.

Which would leave us with 22, 24, 24, 24.

The following season, each division would have to relegate 2 more than are due to come up to it.

I think that's how it works - ie. 5 down from Prem, 5 down from Champ, 6 down from League 1, 4 down from League 2.

Not saying I like the idea of promotions but no relegation, but I do need to correct your scenario above.
If 2 sides get promoted from League 1 and 3 sides are promoted into League 1 from League 2, it puts the number in League 1 back to 24, not 25. Remember we only had 23 this season?
Then one team up from the National League would give:-
22, 24, 24, 22.

 

[stewart]

My thoughts on this is that Liverpool should be awarded the premiership title , and from each division it should be 2 up and 2 down ,yes that would relegate us ,but we deserve to be relegated being 16 points from safety.