Promotion and relegation 2019/20 season

[Westcliff DGS]

Nearly every business is having to adapt to changes, and football will be no different.

It's most likely Football will be behind closed doors until at least 2021, but it has to go on and adapt.

Get the football on online streams, use iFollow as a season ticket to raise revenues, look at ways you can encourage commercial revenue, through advertising on iFollow etc and also retail revenue... Catering is the one that will suffer and cooperate.

The only tricky area clubs could find is finding shirt sponsors when marketing spend is most likely the first thing that companies have chopped.

Companies are all preparing ways to return back, but they are preparing on ways they can serve people to their homes, rather than inviting them to come to their premises.

It's being clever on how businesses will do this, in order for them to survive.

How will i follow work for away games if fleetwood fans watch the game at our place who gets that income (thats if the assumption season ticket holders only get home games)

 

[Up the Shrimpers]

How will i follow work for away games if fleetwood fans watch the game at our place who gets that income (thats if the assumption season ticket holders only get home games)

If a club uses the ifollow service (Some don't) then usually you can login with either club. So if you choose to use Feetwood then the money will go to Fleetwood and obviously if you choose Southend then the money goes to Southend!
Under the old agreement I think the club's get £8 out of the £10 fee.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

If a club uses the ifollow service (Some don't) then usually you can login with either club. So if you choose to use Feetwood then the money will go to Fleetwood and obviously if you choose Southend then the money goes to Southend!
Under the old agreement I think the club's get £8 out of the £10 fee.

And that is my point, away ticket sales is a lost revenue to clubs

 

[Mr Plow]

And that is my point, away ticket sales is a lost revenue to clubs

Looking at our remaining fixtures we're going to miss out big time on away ticket sales if they go for the behind closed doors option. Pompey, Sunderland, Bolton and Wycombe would've all brought decent followings (Pompey alone would've sold out the whole end and requested more I expect).

They'd need to find some way to compensate us surely? All iFollow revenue go to the home club perhaps? Probably still wouldn't make a dent unless we can bank on 40k Sunderland fans and 20k Pompey fans buying match passes.

 

[Chrisb]

It really is crazy - a decision has to made. Voiding the season would be deemed unfair on some clubs but, let's face it, nothing about this virus is fair, why should football be any different.

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

It really is crazy - a decision has to made. Voiding the season would be deemed unfair on some clubs but, let's face it, nothing about this virus is fair, why should football be any different.

Yup there are more important things than football, to be honest. No outcome at this point would please everyone. We don’t even know when restaurants are likely to reopen let alone sporting events with up to 60,000 spectators.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

Yup there are more important things than football, to be honest. No outcome at this point would please everyone. We don’t even know when restaurants are likely to reopen let alone sporting events with up to 60,000 spectators.

In a reasonable and sensible world or sport no outcome would, however football is neither of those at the best of times. There are a lot of chairman that wish to finish the season, as it stands pretty much every club in the championship wants to finish the season, in league one its around 80% want too (those that dont are unsurprisingly at the bottom) and in league 2 its just around 50% that would prefer to finish (not the same as want to finish).

was interesting to read yesterday that the Belgian league, who were due to have their final vote yesterday or today, have delayed it for a week to see what’s going on. They were the first league to say season over and now they are reviewing that

 

[graingerroad54]

You can't please everybody, and you certainly shouldn't be basing decisions on who is most likely to sue.
UEFA can wait, and we can suss that out later. The Dutch canning it shows not every league is going to risk things for them.
The more it drags on the more I don't care, not the more desperate I'm getting.
If our option is end it or behind close doors games then for all but a handful of clubs at the top of the game then the former is less impactful financially.
I literally don't care which league we are in next season, I care only that we exist.

with so many 1st and 2nd clubs in financial trouble is there an argument to be made for reverting to the old third divisions north & south thereby reducing travelling costs substantialy. which would mean our longest journies would be plymouth. exeter, newport and coventry (or other midlands sides}. any thoughts?

 

[Leigh_Seasider]

In a reasonable and sensible world or sport no outcome would, however football is neither of those at the best of times. There are a lot of chairman that wish to finish the season, as it stands pretty much every club in the championship wants to finish the season, in league one its around 80% want too (those that dont are unsurprisingly at the bottom) and in league 2 its just around 50% that would prefer to finish (not the same as want to finish).

was interesting to read yesterday that the Belgian league, who were due to have their final vote yesterday or today, have delayed it for a week to see what’s going on. They were the first league to say season over and now they are reviewing that

This is bigger than the game and what club chairmen want. Nothing comparable has ever happened before so we can’t use normal logic. Whichever way forward is decided on will **** someone off whether it be clubs, fans or players. Be fascinating to see the different solutions across Europe.

 

[Westcliff DGS]

This is bigger than the game and what club chairmen want. Nothing comparable has ever happened before so we can’t use normal logic. Whichever way forward is decided on will **** someone off whether it be clubs, fans or players. Be fascinating to see the different solutions across Europe.

I do not disagree with you, but when has football and all of the associated bodies both domesticalmly and world wide that represent players, clubs and associations ever been logical.

from my own discussions in can tell you there is a big push in some quarters (Not just governing bodies) not to void the leagues, whilst the FAS, EPL and the EFL are a shambles at times, they are also led by UEFA who are pushing for leagues to finish.

What worries me most is how they are going to decide, will they ask clubs or will the leagues deicide. It has to be as fair as possible i guess but we all know what ever is decided will not be accepted by some, as you say yourself it will **** someone off.

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

with so many 1st and 2nd clubs in financial trouble is there an argument to be made for reverting to the old third divisions north & south thereby reducing travelling costs substantialy. which would mean our longest journies would be plymouth. exeter, newport and coventry (or other midlands sides}. any thoughts?

Not really.
When the the old regional leagues gave way to Division Four in 1958, it was because financial constraints no longer applied.
You have to ask what a tankful of gas costs against an away tie against Sunderland in front of 30,000? Similarly, Rochdale must fancy the 3,000 Pompey fans at Spotland: think concessions as well as admissions.
Travel has improved all the more over 62 years. Trains, roads and even regional plane services make it the easier.

 

[ace]

The Government need to grow a pair like the Dutch.

 

[Mick]

The Government need to grow a pair like the Dutch.

They have failed to prepare and respond appropriately on most issues. Why would you expect football to be any different?

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

Similarly, Rochdale must fancy the 3,000 Pompey fans at Spotland: think concessions as well as admissions.
Travel has improved all the more over 62 years. Trains, roads and even regional plane services make it the easier.

Totally agree with you, but in the foreseeable future, how many travelling fans will still have a job, or be able to afford to follow their club away?.
Plus there will no doubt be restrictions on the amount of visiting fans allowed in grounds, until 'social distancing' is removed?.

 

[BriggBlue]

with so many 1st and 2nd clubs in financial trouble is there an argument to be made for reverting to the old third divisions north & south thereby reducing travelling costs substantialy. which would mean our longest journies would be plymouth. exeter, newport and coventry (or other midlands sides}. any thoughts?

Travelling costs are a very small part of a professional clubs costs nowdays, even for fans they tend to be further spread out than in the olden days of the north - south divisions.

 

[camden shrimper]

Travelling costs are a very small part of a professional clubs costs nowdays, even for fans they tend to be further spread out than in the olden days of the north - south divisions.

I think there were a number of players in part time jobs as well still then so an away game was denying them that second income if it was too far away

 

[Chris Powell's mate]

Totally agree with you, but in the foreseeable future, how many travelling fans will still have a job, or be able to afford to follow their club away?.
Plus there will no doubt be restrictions on the amount of visiting fans allowed in grounds, until 'social distancing' is removed?.

This is where the club needs to put its hand in its pocket, and subsidise coach travel, for example.
Easier said than done, but many clubs do it already. Fulham regularly charge £15 (£10 seniors, unemployed and U16s) for a seat on a coach to the likes of Blackburn or Hull.
This 'distancing' thing is a minefield.
Say you halved ground capacities, what guarantee is there 3,000 inside Roots Hall are distanced for two hours?
Do you shut concessions? Imagine a half-time queue for a hot dog! There again it might be doing Public Health and Safety a favour by shutting them, lol?

 

[Billy Bests boot laces]

Imagine a half-time queue for a hot dog!

Or even worse, the surge to go for a pee by hundreds!!.

 

[Ex-SouthendUnitedEmployee]

We're all talking about if to void the rest of the season on not...

The bigger picture is being missed. There has to be a plan for the 20/21 season, as more than likely you won't see attendances for part of this...

This isn't just a question of if this season finishes... you may as well finish the season, if the following season is going to have to start in the same manner - behind closed doors.

But in all honesty everything in everyday life is just a big unknown.

 

[Fairport]

This is where the club needs to put its hand in its pocket, and subsidise coach travel, for example.
Easier said than done, but many clubs do it already. Fulham regularly charge £15 (£10 seniors, unemployed and U16s) for a seat on a coach to the likes of Blackburn or Hull.
This 'distancing' thing is a minefield.
Say you halved ground capacities, what guarantee is there 3,000 inside Roots Hall are distanced for two hours?
Do you shut concessions? Imagine a half-time queue for a hot dog! There again it might be doing Public Health and Safety a favour by shutting them, lol?

Social distancing policy is the key, many of the general public, probably most of them, would be annoyed if social distancing did not apply to 22 players plus 3 officials but the rest of society had to toe the line.