A Bit of Fun Phil Brown and SUFC

[Kevin Hogg]

Slightly off topic here, but only commenting on things that have been said on this thread.

Firstly, really guys, how much do we think the (occasional) late payment of wages affected things? It's a convenient excuse to further discredit an unpopular chairman which is understandable, but I really don't think that was the reason we didn't go up.

Secondly, we actually have a squad of good players that aren't playing very well as a team. They are not bad or rubbish players. It is not possible to be a pro football player and be rubbish. Being a good side is all about the blend and teamwork, not individual ability.

As for the fans being rubbish, well, I have said this for a while. There have always been Boo Boys, but the first time I really heard it badly was when a section of the West Bank Family Stand started singing a circus theme every time Carl Emberson got near the ball. Then fans turned their venom onto Mildenhall and the abuse he took in a 4-2 home defeat to Orient in the JPT (or whatever it was back then) was totally embarrassing. Smith and Straker are the current scapegoats. On the one hand, the positive work done by True Blue and the Blue Voice is admirable (I think even TB acknowledges that the Mildenhall episode was a bit OTT) but no wonder the players don't like playing at Roots Hall! We need look no further than ourselves and whilst there is a valid argument that the spark to ignite the atmosphere from the stands must come from on the pitch, there is no need to stick the boot in when things aren't going well. We can give a pretty good account of ourselves at any away ground yet at home, the same players can't do it. For me, the reason is straightforward and as far as I'm concerned the fans that boo can go and sit in the North Bank with the away supporters. At least that way the players will be expecting the stick and can ignore it, which is part of their training; take no notice of the abuse at away grounds.

Finally, Ron Martins "crime" seems to be that one day he will make a lot of money out of the club. Big deal. That's what people own football clubs for. I was personally staggered when, 2 or 3 years ago, there was an informal crisis meeting held where there was a completely serious suggestion to force the club into administration just so that Ron would be ousted and if relegation out of the league was the consequence of that, then so be it. Anyone who looks at the Conference teams will know that the path back is a long and hard one. Ask the fans of Grimsby, Hereford, Luton, Wrexham, Cambridge, Southport, Macclesfield, Barrow, Lincoln, Stockport, Chester, Halifax, Bradford PA, Workington and Boston All once established league clubs. Oh, and don't forget AFC Wimbledon and Aldershot, who have had the hardest roads of all.

Southend Divided seems a more appropriate name for our club and some fans I think need a slightly more empathetic and realistic view of our situation.

Not very likely, though, is it?

Thank God for sanity and people who still love Southend United more than those who hate Ron Martin - without an alternative I might add.

Lets start a campaign to SUPPORT Southend United in 2013/14.

 

[Jam_Man]

Thank God for sanity and people who still love Southend United more than those who hate Ron Martin - without an alternative I might add.

Lets start a campaign to SUPPORT Southend United in 2013/14.

You do realise its possible to support the club we love AND still be able to criticise when things arent right?

The funny thing is this thread has nothing to do with Ron Martin doing anything wrong.

I personally dont think Ron Martin is good for the club, however I dont hate him and think he had good intentions but just didnt have the resources to deliver what he set out to. I dont hate him and do love SUFC and any negative discussions I get involved with are because the latter is true...

 

[Kevin Hogg]

I am not proving anything to you or anyone else . I have no idea who you are, you could be Ron Martin for all we know for.

I think a few Southend United fans who have been around and supporting the club might know of me.

Without me - you may still have Anton Johnson. Know your history!

 

[southend4ever]

In any other normal world he could apply without being found out. Not a crime but to us it is. Plenty of people hop from job to job in their careers.

I just wonder whether Wolves have another applicant now also.

 

[fbm]

No I dont, I keep an open mind and but is possibile to make judgements on the information I do get.

Same as I never received proof of the embargos last summer yet knew they were in place. Nothing spectacularly wrong in those predictions despite the denial back then on exactly the same lines.

Personally have nothing on this PB story but I wont just dismiss it as nonsense because its a negative, purely because its come from someone that has delivered trustworthy information in the past.

By the way, the "you" in my previous post was intended collectively with the emphasis on the word "should" rather than saying that you personally shouldn't. Although you shouldn't. None of us should.

:winking:

 

[Kevin Hogg]

You do realise its possible to support the club we love AND still be able to criticise when things arent right?

The funny thing is this thread has nothing to do with Ron Martin doing anything wrong.

I personally dont think Ron Martin is good for the club, however I dont hate him and think he had good intentions but just didnt have the resources to deliver what he set out to. I dont hate him and do love SUFC and any negative discussions I get involved with are because the latter is true...

I agree that you can criticise but still care.

I do not agree this thread has nothing to do with RM. Phil Brown is unpopular because Ron Martin created another abysmal PR failure in the manner of the sacking of PS, appointment of PB and then unbelivable idea to have PS back for Wembley.

PB never stood a chance!

 

[Cricko]

By the way, the "you" in my previous post was intended collectively with the emphasis on the word "should" rather than saying that you personally shouldn't. Although you shouldn't. None of us should.

:winking:

Well that's as clear as mud then :winking:

 

[Jam_Man]

In any other normal world he could apply without being found out. Not a crime but to us it is. Plenty of people hop from job to job in their careers.

I just wonder whether Wolves have another applicant now also.

Thats true, but if you were out of work a year and someone you knew gave you a chance wouldnt it be nice to show a little gratitude.

 

[southend4ever]

I think a few Southend United fans who have been around and supporting the club might know of me.

Without me - you may still have Anton Johnson. Know your history!

Anton was found not guilty of the theft, I have you know!

 

[southend4ever]

Thats true, but if you were out of work a year and someone you knew gave you a chance wouldnt it be nice to show a little gratitude.

100% ... Doesn't always pan out like that though does it. If you have an opportunity to progress your career I think most would go for that option rather than staying somewhere to show gratitude.

 

[chapperzUK]

 

[Jam_Man]

By the way, the "you" in my previous post was intended collectively with the emphasis on the word "should" rather than saying that you personally shouldn't. Although you shouldn't. None of us should.

:winking:

In an ideal world I would only make any judgements based on solid fact. Sadly this is the cloak and dagger world of League Two football clubs, we dont have the luxury of knowing everything!

I agree that you can criticise but still care.

I do not agree this thread has nothing to do with RM. Phil Brown is unpopular because Ron Martin created another abysmal PR failure in the manner of the sacking of PS, appointment of PB and then unbelivable idea to have PS back for Wembley.

PB never stood a chance!

RM certainly didnt help things in the way it was done, but if PB is applying for new jobs already that sits solely with him. In fact if PB got a job elsewhere we get compensation so RM makes money......

PB does stand a chance. Sturrock came into the club in far far tougher circumstances. No players and replacing a club icon who was victim of a far more cruel termination than Sturrock had. All PB has to do is win some games, thats really all there is to it.

What wont help is not winning games, and then being linked with other jobs already.

100% ... Doesn't always pan out like that though does it. If you have an opportunity to progress your career I think most would go for that option rather than staying somewhere to show gratitude.

You may well do, and if you did you would accept that the people that gave you a chance were to think you were a dick because of it...

 

[Kevin Hogg]

Thats true, but if you were out of work a year and someone you knew gave you a chance wouldnt it be nice to show a little gratitude.

Agreed. despite believing the thread to be decisive until proven.

I think I have made my point enough.

I do believe however, that unless this is actually factual and proven - the administrators of SZ should long and hard about what they promote to a wider audience!

 

[southend4ever]

In an ideal world I would only make any judgements based on solid fact. Sadly this is the cloak and dagger world of League Two football clubs, we dont have the luxury of knowing everything!



RM certainly didnt help things in the way it was done, but if PB is applying for new jobs already that sits solely with him. In fact if PB got a job elsewhere we get compensation so RM makes money......

PB does stand a chance. Sturrock came into the club in far far tougher circumstances. No players and replacing a club icon who was victim of a far more cruel termination than Sturrock had. All PB has to do is win some games, thats really all there is to it.

What wont help is not winning games, and then being linked with other jobs already.



You may well do, and if you did you would accept that the people that gave you a chance were to think you were a dick because of it...

Absolutely. What a dick... if true!

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

I think a few Southend United fans who have been around and supporting the club might know of me.

Without me - you may still have Anton Johnson. Know your history!

So when you think about, by single handedly taking down Anton Johnson, you're to blame for what has affectionately become known as 'The Days Of Ronnie Martini.'

 

[bigmolt]

Thank God for sanity and people who still love Southend United more than those who hate Ron Martin - without an alternative I might add.

Lets start a campaign to SUPPORT Southend United in 2013/14.

Totally agree with above comments. We must help not hinder.

 

[Jam_Man]

Agreed. despite believing the thread to be decisive until proven.

I think I have made my point enough.

I do believe however, that unless this is actually factual and proven - the administrators of SZ should long and hard about what they promote to a wider audience!

As I've said all through this thread, sometimes information isnt ever going to be "factual and proven". The financial issues and embargos of last summer still arent, yet they were very much news worthy as they affected the team.

Im not even sure what you would deem to be proven in this case other than a statement from PB himself.

 

[Kevin Hogg]

So when you think about, by single handedly taking down Anton Johnson, you're to blame for what has affectionately become known as 'The Days Of Ronnie Martini.'

I am fairly certain that nobody could have "single handedly" taken down Anton Johnson.

Ron Martin v Anton Johnson? Would be equivalent of Julian Clary versus Floyd Mayweather!

 

[Firestorm]

So when you think about, by single handedly taking down Anton Johnson, you're to blame for what has affectionately become known as 'The Days Of Ronnie Martini.'

When AJ went up north he was accompanied by Ron

(Mike (Xabia) posted this back in March 2007 :


Anton Johnson; he was tracked to the United States in 1988 and declared bankrupt.

I've dug up some interesting information concerning Anton Johnson, Doncaster Rovers ... and a property developer called Ron Martin (!!):

January 27th 1998
""As we went to print, the property developer representing the Anton Johnson consortium, Ron Martin, was heading to Scarborough for talks with Reg Ashworth, the solicitor acting on behalf of Doncaster Rovers' owners, Dinard Trading Ltd. Martin, who was in Doncaster last week to have a meeting with the town's senior council officials, was accompanied by former Rovers' player-manager David Cusack. Last night, Cusack told the Sports Chronicle: "It's a very positive move. We have left the matter with Ron (Martin) in the hope that he could obtain the necessary information which we need to build a new stadium for the town."

"I can reveal that Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council, and Ron Martin, had an exceptional meeting of late, and Ron Martin has said that the deal will go through. The council and Martin have agreed on certain details, re: the new stadium situated on the Dome site, and this now looks a, dare I say, certainty."

January 29th 1998
"Today Ron Martin (representing Anton Johnson) met Reg Ashworth (Richardson's solicitor) in York. The meeting was to discuss a takeover of the Rovers. If concluded, the deal will include the building of a brand new stadium for the Rovers at Black Bank."

:confused:

 

[Chaz SUFC]

Until proven true, the man has my full backing.

It seems there are a lot of people who have it in for Phil Brown from the beginning without giving him a chance. Find it quite painful to see and bet a lot of people were delighted at this "rumour" and the chance to jump on the bandwagon.

Quite disgraceful to see. Borderline becoming a witch hunt!