A Bit of Fun Phil Brown and SUFC

[Mick]

When AJ went up north he was accompanied by Ron

(Mike (Xabia) posted this back in March 2007 :


Anton Johnson; he was tracked to the United States in 1988 and declared bankrupt.

I've dug up some interesting information concerning Anton Johnson, Doncaster Rovers ... and a property developer called Ron Martin (!!):

January 27th 1998
""As we went to print, the property developer representing the Anton Johnson consortium, Ron Martin, was heading to Scarborough for talks with Reg Ashworth, the solicitor acting on behalf of Doncaster Rovers' owners, Dinard Trading Ltd. Martin, who was in Doncaster last week to have a meeting with the town's senior council officials, was accompanied by former Rovers' player-manager David Cusack. Last night, Cusack told the Sports Chronicle: "It's a very positive move. We have left the matter with Ron (Martin) in the hope that he could obtain the necessary information which we need to build a new stadium for the town."

"I can reveal that Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council, and Ron Martin, had an exceptional meeting of late, and Ron Martin has said that the deal will go through. The council and Martin have agreed on certain details, re: the new stadium situated on the Dome site, and this now looks a, dare I say, certainty."

January 29th 1998
"Today Ron Martin (representing Anton Johnson) met Reg Ashworth (Richardson's solicitor) in York. The meeting was to discuss a takeover of the Rovers. If concluded, the deal will include the building of a brand new stadium for the Rovers at Black Bank."

:confused:

Just how long can you go without developing any property and still be called a property developer ?

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Only if your hatred for one man is negative to the club I love.

I only want what is best for Southend Utd.

Until proven true, the man has my full backing.

It seems there are a lot of people who have it in for Phil Brown from the beginning without giving him a chance. Find it quite painful to see and bet a lot of people were delighted at this "rumour" and the chance to jump on the bandwagon.

Quite disgraceful to see. Borderline becoming a witch hunt!

Those who were sceptical of the Brown appointment were sceptical at least in part because of the belief that he'd be off first opportunity to jump ship.

 

[mrsblue]

I regard Anton's daughter as a mate of mine,She has told me several times her dad was stitched up.

If the PB thing has any truth it's potty,Mind you his recent cv of 2 wins from his last 26 games is not exactly good.

 

[Dick Bate's Protege]

I am fairly certain that nobody could have "single handedly" taken down Anton Johnson.

Ron Martin v Anton Johnson? Would be equivalent of Julian Clary versus Floyd Mayweather!

Can't be bothered to find the thread, but a couple of years ago you claimed to have overthrown Johnson on your own with 10p in a phone box and was given a job within the club as a result.

As for the subject of rumours on SZ, as long as its not an outright lie, or attempt to deceive the fans for political ends then I don't see the problem with it. I think SZ is a good tool in the fight to keep the club reasonably honest and answerable to the fans. For that reason I hope none of the owners are ever invited onto the Southend board. Although Martin unequivocally makes his own decisions, I think it's undeniable that he has one eye on SZ when gauging fan opinion.

 

[mrsblue]

Didn't he ask for and get 6 months wages in advance for agreeing to join us. I have heard the rumour also but doubt Sheffield would want him.

Tax dodge?

 

[dannypav]

Can't be bothered to find the thread, but a couple of years ago you claimed to have overthrown Johnson on your own with 10p in a phone box and was given a job within the club as a result.

As for the subject of rumours on SZ, as long as its not an outright lie, or attempt to deceive the fans for political ends then I don't see the problem with it. I think SZ is a good tool in the fight to keep the club reasonably honest and answerable to the fans. For that reason I hope none of the owners are ever invited onto the Southend board. Although Martin unequivably makes his own decisions, I think it's undeniable that he has one eye on SZ when gauging fan opinion.

I thought that was Richard Branson ??

 

[Jam_Man]

Until proven true, the man has my full backing.

It seems there are a lot of people who have it in for Phil Brown from the beginning without giving him a chance. Find it quite painful to see and bet a lot of people were delighted at this "rumour" and the chance to jump on the bandwagon.

Quite disgraceful to see. Borderline becoming a witch hunt!

I actually dont have anything against him, Im totally underwhelmed by the team's performance since he joined, but as Ive said since he joined I wont judge him until he has had a pre-season.

However even with the lack of documented evidence isnt there a part of you that thinks if this is true it is out of order ? The guy took 6 months money to join yet if this is true didnt even wait that long to try to leave.

This is your club he is showing massive disrespect to, does that not bother you ?

Certainly does me.

 

[Kevin Hogg]

Can't be bothered to find the thread, but a couple of years ago you claimed to have overthrown Johnson on your own with 10p in a phone box and was given a job within the club as a result.

As for the subject of rumours on SZ, as long as its not an outright lie, or attempt to deceive the fans for political ends then I don't see the problem with it. I think SZ is a good tool in the fight to keep the club reasonably honest and answerable to the fans. For that reason I hope none of the owners are ever invited onto the Southend board. Although Martin unequivocally makes his own decisions, I think it's undeniable that he has one eye on SZ when gauging fan opinion.

I made a call from a phone box with led to Anton Johnson going. I did not and could not have done it "single handedly" and have never claimed too. I started the process and played a part.

 

[C C Csiders]

This thread (all 800 pages of it) is based upon a rumour that somebody employed by employer A, has, potentially, applied for a job with employer B. Is this something that has never happened anywhere before?

 

[Kevin Hogg]

I actually dont have anything against him, Im totally underwhelmed by the team's performance since he joined, but as Ive said since he joined I wont judge him until he has had a pre-season.

However even with the lack of documented evidence isnt there a part of you that thinks if this is true it is out of order ? The guy took 6 months money to join yet if this is true didnt even wait that long to try to leave.

This is your club he is showing massive disrespect to, does that not bother you ?

Certainly does me.

Ahhh so it is true. You have decided eh?
OK. I think he has disrespected my club and should go - because you have proved it.

Haven't you? Your comments above suggest that you know more than I do. Please divulge all the information about how you obviously know PB applied to Sheff Utd since he was appointed with us?

Or perhaps? Just perhaps? You are talking out of your arse??

 

[Jam_Man]

Ahhh so it is true. You have decided eh?
OK. I think he has disrespected my club and should go - because you have proved it.

Haven't you? Your comments above suggest that you know more than I do. Please divulge all the information about how you obviously know PB applied to Sheff Utd since he was appointed with us?

Or perhaps? Just perhaps? You are talking out of your arse??

You completely ignored all those 'ifs' then in my post?

I have an open mind and am willing to consider it is true, seeing as its come from a reliable source,rather than blindly ignore it. If it is true then yes I wouldnt be happy about it.

 

[Kevin Hogg]

I regard Anton's daughter as a mate of mine,She has told me several times her dad was stitched up.

If the PB thing has any truth it's potty,Mind you his recent cv of 2 wins from his last 26 games is not exactly good.

Ha ha. Anton Johnson was "stitched up"!! Ha ha. That is why he was banned fromdirect involvement in professional football in Britain?
His daughter? I am glad to hear she believes in her dad. That is good.

 

[Kevin Hogg]

You completely ignored all those 'ifs' then in my post?

I have an open mind and am willing to consider it is true, seeing as its come from a reliable source,rather than blindly ignore it. If it is true then yes I wouldnt be happy about it.

IF it is true? I am equally annoyed.

You cannot possibly hang a guy on rumour. Come back to me with evidence! Or forget it!

 

[Kevin Hogg]

I thought that was Richard Branson ??

Richard Branson was at the bottom of Queen Annes Drive - with 10p? He has done better than me with his money!

 

[Jam_Man]

IF it is true? I am equally annoyed.

You cannot possibly hang a guy on rumour. Come back to me with evidence! Or forget it!

Actually I wont forget it, Ill use the information Ive heard from a reliable source to form a bigger picture as I always do.

If you wish to ignore any information you dont want to hear then that's your perogative.

Heres a question, do you believe there were transfer embargos last summer ? These were the transfer embargos we said were in place which the club denied and never admitted to.

 

[Kevin Hogg]

Actually I wont forget it, Ill use the information Ive heard from a reliable source to form a bigger picture as I always do.

If you wish to ignore any information you dont want to hear then that's your perogative.

Heres a question, do you believe there were transfer embargos last summer ? These were the transfer embargos we said were in place which the club denied and never admitted to.

I have no idea about the transfer embargo..or not. I can understand why there would be one,. That does not make it true..or indeed false.

I agree there is a possibility that anyone can apply for any job. That is life.

However, before creating the kind of reaction we have seen on this board - it is much more responsible to have some proof.

Innocent until proved guilty. Apart from for some on SZ.

Proof! Proof. Proof. the basis of our constitution.

 

[Col.U. Mad]

Has Phil Brown applied for the Sheff. Utd. job? Probably.
Will he get it? Not in this lifetime.


THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Has Phil Brown applied for the Sheff. Utd. job? Probably.
Will he get it? Not in this lifetime.


THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED.

No it's not :raspberry:

 

[South Bank Hank]

I have no idea about the transfer embargo..or not. I can understand why there would be one,. That does not make it true..or indeed false.

I agree there is a possibility that anyone can apply for any job. That is life.

However, before creating the kind of reaction we have seen on this board - it is much more responsible to have some proof.

Innocent until proved guilty. Apart from for some on SZ.

Proof! Proof. Proof. the basis of our constitution.

Kevin, I completely get where you're coming from but actually the issue is not about the rumour, only people's reaction to it. Rumours are part and parcel of football and long may they continue.

When I hear a rumour (and indeed see one published on SZ), the first thing I think about is the source and whether they have an axe to grind. In this case, I see the source as a solid one, with the initial post from someone with a full understand of what they're doing and rarely inclined to throw things into the public domain without thinking things through. My inclination, based on the above, is to give the rumour some credence, albeit with my mind open to the fact that it remains only a rumour at this stage.

I love your passionate support for the club and your conviction that we should not judge without being party to the full facts. I always feel exactly the same way and I'm often calling on here for people to post with a bit of perspective. However, it's also important not to bury things that we don't like, or even hide things from the public domain on the basis that they're not fully substantiated.

I'd like to think every post in this thread carries the caveat "IF this is true, then..."

I'd also like to think that people might question, IF it was true, WHY it might be true, rationally, before condemning either Brown or Martin. Unfortunately, for me, it's this latter behaviour that always shows people up rather than the posting of rumours!

 

[chapperzUK]

Has Phil Brown applied for the Sheff. Utd. job? Probably.
Will he get it? Not in this lifetime.


THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED.

You can tell we haven't got anything else to discuss!

Surely if a rumour had proof, it wouldn't be a rumour?