A Bit of Fun Phil Brown and SUFC

[Jam_Man]

WE are mid-table League 2. We are in financial difficulties.

That is how football is.

I have no doubt that there is much to disagree with in the boardroom at the moment and possibly always.

Is there anybody on here that has an argument giving a more hopeful lifeline than FF? If so I would love to hear it.

Unless you have a credible alternative. Please stop trying to destroy the only chance there appears to be of Southend United surviving.

What has Phil Brown's intentions got to do with any of that ?

If PB is looking for a bigger club already then sorry that is important to discuss as it will destabilise us and cause the club damage.

With someone else's players who were probably loyal to Sturrock? Totally unfair to castigate PB without giving him a chance of at least 1/2 a season.

Agreed, said it all along we judge him next season. Lets hope he stays long enough for that to happen...

 

[Kevin Hogg]

You may disagree with my comments but please don't call them rubbish because they differ from your viewpoint. I had heard the rumour befoire I saw it on Shrimperzone and I know others who did also. I personally don't believe it to be true but I wouldn't be bothered if it were; it is difficult to envisage how anyone could have made a worse start to the job.

I apologise for the "rubbish" comment. A fair point.

Bad start? The first bad anything came from our supporters. Before the guy had said a word.

I do not see how any manager could have had a worse start either. Sadly, our own supporters can take much of the blame.

QED. In my opinion - our "support" is woeful!

 

[Kevin Hogg]

What has Phil Brown's intentions got to do with any of that ?

If PB is looking for a bigger club already then sorry that is important to discuss as it will destabilise us and cause the club damage.



Agreed, said it all along we judge him next season. Lets hope he stays long enough for that to happen...

Your point about PB and discussion is only valid once the rumour has been proved to be accurate. Which it has not to date.
Until then? He has my support and I see no reason why he should not have the best wishes of all Shrimpers. Surely we all hope he will win us promotion?

 

[Jam_Man]

Your point about PB and discussion is only valid once the rumour has been proved to be accurate. Which it has not to date.
Until then? He has my support and I see no reason why he should not have the best wishes of all Shrimpers. Surely we all hope he will win us promotion?

On that basis we should never have discussed the financial issues last year as it was never proved to be true....

I do agree we should give him a chance, which is what Im doing.

Anyone who criticised him before the first game was being harsh, yet I cant completely blame anyone for being critical as he has now played 7 games or so and has been poor. I personally wont judge him until the new season, but its not like people who dont like him have nothing to be disappointed about. Not overly fair as he hasnt brought in players, but as the cliche goes its a results business.

 

[shrimperjon]

Reading the last couple if pages of posts on this thread have highlighted an even bigger issue. You can also look at the north bank thread for further evidence. The main problem on here at the moment is the constant bickering towards each other. Yes, there are problems and yes there are concerns but the one thing that stays a constant in any football club is its fans. Players and managers come and go, but I've been a fan for 34 years, my dad over 60, my son 3. With all the problems off the pitch it makes life difficult for all of us, but there seems to be a hell of a lot of issues amongst the fans and in the stands. We should be one, support through thick and thin, help the team, help players through difficult spells during the season. But I'm afraid that support by some does not appear to be there and almost appears that people are desperate for it all to go wrong so that they can say told you so. PB needs to given a chance next season and whether we like him not support the guy. If rumours are put on here I agree that if unfounded then the poster who posted it should be held accountable, especially one of this nature. We all want the best for this club and we must pull together. UTB

 

[Kevin Hogg]

If Seb Vettel drove a Ford Capri - he would not win either. He is in a results business too.

Give the man a chance to select his own vehicle!

 

[Kevin Hogg]

Reading the last couple if pages of posts on this thread have highlighted an even bigger issue. You can also look at the north bank thread for further evidence. The main problem on here at the moment is the constant bickering towards each other. Yes, there are problems and yes there are concerns but the one thing that stays a constant in any football club is its fans. Players and managers come and go, but I've been a fan for 34 years, my dad over 60, my son 3. With all the problems off the pitch it makes life difficult for all of us, but there seems to be a hell of a lot of issues amongst the fans and in the stands. We should be one, support through thick and thin, help the team, help players through difficult spells during the season. But I'm afraid that support by some does not appear to be there and almost appears that people are desperate for it all to go wrong so that they can say told you so. PB needs to given a chance next season and whether we like him not support the guy. If rumours are put on here I agree that if unfounded then the poster who posted it should be held accountable, especially one of this nature. We all want the best for this club and we must pull together. UTB

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But I'm afraid that support by some does not appear to be there and almost appears that people are desperate for it all to go wrong so that they can say told you so"

Exactly that. The current support is woeful!

 

[Lord Football]

Reading the last couple if pages of posts on this thread have highlighted an even bigger issue. You can also look at the north bank thread for further evidence. The main problem on here at the moment is the constant bickering towards each other. Yes, there are problems and yes there are concerns but the one thing that stays a constant in any football club is its fans. Players and managers come and go, but I've been a fan for 34 years, my dad over 60, my son 3. With all the problems off the pitch it makes life difficult for all of us, but there seems to be a hell of a lot of issues amongst the fans and in the stands. We should be one, support through thick and thin, help the team, help players through difficult spells during the season. But I'm afraid that support by some does not appear to be there and almost appears that people are desperate for it all to go wrong so that they can say told you so. PB needs to given a chance next season and whether we like him not support the guy. If rumours are put on here I agree that if unfounded then the poster who posted it should be held accountable, especially one of this nature. We all want the best for this club and we must pull together. UTB

Spot on. And that some of our fans need to remember that we are League Two team, and a fairly average one at that.

 

[Cricko]

If rumours are put on here I agree that if unfounded then the poster who posted it should be held accountable, especially one of this nature.

Lol ! Ok we will get the Burning Oil ready for Ken for whenever this rumour comes to fruition or not. Give me a break please. :facepalm:

 

[Kevin Hogg]

We still have some real supporters left!

 

[shrimperjon]

The funny thing is that my mum went to get first ever game at wembley and loved the atmosphere etc so my dad got her tickets for the Morecome game, she said yesterday that she couldn't understand why the 60 or so Morecome fans made more noise than us, she said where was the home support? We then showed her some of the threads on here, it didnt take long for her to work it out, massive split/divide at the moment amongst fans. Not sure how we can resolve it either!!!

 

[Kevin Hogg]

Lol ! Ok we will get the Burning Oil ready for Ken for whenever this rumour comes to fruition or not. Give me a break please. :facepalm:

It is a poisonous thread! Fact.

As a supporter rather than a destroyer - I believe the thread to have been a huge mistake and gives the impression that SZ is in becoming just a forum to destabilise the club I care for!

 

[shrimperjon]

Lol ! Ok we will get the Burning Oil ready for Ken for whenever this rumour comes to fruition or not. Give me a break please. :facepalm:

So is the rumour true then? Where did he hear it? Who are the sources? If this is bollocks take the thread off. All I'm saying is that the thread has just ended up causing more friction amongst many on here. I would think that he has some sort of knowledge otherwise why post it. I'm just fed up of all the constant bitching on here! It's like being back at school. I just think as a fan base the one thing we can do is pull together and maybe posting RUMOURS of this nature are slightly ill conceived T the moment. But please don't shoot me down for trying to create some positive feel on here.

 

[Jam_Man]

It is a poisonous thread! Fact.

As a supporter rather than a destroyer - I believe the thread to have been a huge mistake and gives the impression that SZ is in becoming just a forum to destabilise the club I care for!

Some threads will be negative, you cant expect every one to be a positive discussion.

Bear in mind there are people on here who have very credible sources and if they hear something then it makes it worth discussing. No point trying to bury all bad news.

So is the rumour true then? Where did he hear it? Who are the sources? If this is bollocks take the thread off. All I'm saying is that the thread has just ended up causing more friction amongst many on here. I would think that he has some sort of knowledge otherwise why post it. I'm just fed up of all the constant bitching on here! It's like being back at school. I just think as a fan base the one thing we can do is pull together and maybe posting RUMOURS of this nature are slightly ill conceived T the moment. But please don't shoot me down for trying to create some positive feel on here.

Whoever his source is wouldnt be a source much longer if he announced them publicly.

I would again point out that we had these kinds of responses when we made people aware of embargos and financial issues last year. Just because some things arent provent beyond doubt doesnt mean they have no substance.

I personally have no idea if this is true, but I wouldnt be keen to just completely dismiss it either.

 

[fbm]

Slightly off topic here, but only commenting on things that have been said on this thread.

Firstly, really guys, how much do we think the (occasional) late payment of wages affected things? It's a convenient excuse to further discredit an unpopular chairman which is understandable, but I really don't think that was the reason we didn't go up.

Secondly, we actually have a squad of good players that aren't playing very well as a team. They are not bad or rubbish players. It is not possible to be a pro football player and be rubbish. Being a good side is all about the blend and teamwork, not individual ability.

As for the fans being rubbish, well, I have said this for a while. There have always been Boo Boys, but the first time I really heard it badly was when a section of the West Bank Family Stand started singing a circus theme every time Carl Emberson got near the ball. Then fans turned their venom onto Mildenhall and the abuse he took in a 4-2 home defeat to Orient in the JPT (or whatever it was back then) was totally embarrassing. Smith and Straker are the current scapegoats. On the one hand, the positive work done by True Blue and the Blue Voice is admirable (I think even TB acknowledges that the Mildenhall episode was a bit OTT) but no wonder the players don't like playing at Roots Hall! We need look no further than ourselves and whilst there is a valid argument that the spark to ignite the atmosphere from the stands must come from on the pitch, there is no need to stick the boot in when things aren't going well. We can give a pretty good account of ourselves at any away ground yet at home, the same players can't do it. For me, the reason is straightforward and as far as I'm concerned the fans that boo can go and sit in the North Bank with the away supporters. At least that way the players will be expecting the stick and can ignore it, which is part of their training; take no notice of the abuse at away grounds.

Finally, Ron Martins "crime" seems to be that one day he will make a lot of money out of the club. Big deal. That's what people own football clubs for. I was personally staggered when, 2 or 3 years ago, there was an informal crisis meeting held where there was a completely serious suggestion to force the club into administration just so that Ron would be ousted and if relegation out of the league was the consequence of that, then so be it. Anyone who looks at the Conference teams will know that the path back is a long and hard one. Ask the fans of Grimsby, Hereford, Luton, Wrexham, Cambridge, Southport, Macclesfield, Barrow, Lincoln, Stockport, Chester, Halifax, Bradford PA, Workington and Boston All once established league clubs. Oh, and don't forget AFC Wimbledon and Aldershot, who have had the hardest roads of all.

Southend Divided seems a more appropriate name for our club and some fans I think need a slightly more empathetic and realistic view of our situation.

Not very likely, though, is it?

 

[Cricko]

It is a poisonous thread! Fact.

As a supporter rather than a destroyer - I believe the thread to have been a huge mistake and gives the impression that SZ is in becoming just a forum to destabilise the club I care for!

IYO it is , in others it is informative to hear.

This forum is about all views from all fans. We all love the club, that does not mean we have to hide our heads in the sand if we hear something not so good. If you feel it should be just "Sunshine and Roses" on every thread. I hate to disappoint you but it will never happen.

 

[Kevin Hogg]

The problem is that there are many on here who have a love of Southend United that has been overtaken by their hatred of Ron Martin and everything and everyone associated - including the manager that has and will never, ever be given the benefit.

This thread just highlights this fact.

They are helping to destroy!

 

[Cricko]

So is the rumour true then? Where did he hear it? Who are the sources? If this is bollocks take the thread off. All I'm saying is that the thread has just ended up causing more friction amongst many on here. I would think that he has some sort of knowledge otherwise why post it. I'm just fed up of all the constant bitching on here! It's like being back at school. I just think as a fan base the one thing we can do is pull together and maybe posting RUMOURS of this nature are slightly ill conceived T the moment. But please don't shoot me down for trying to create some positive feel on here.

Yes from what I have been told it is true..Now it is highly improbable that people are going to name their sources as that would immediately drop them in the poo for doing so. There is always going to be friction on the Zone as we are a discussion forum.

Nobody can prove this unless it actually happens but millions around the world believe in God but there is no actual proof he/she exists, but that does not stop their 100% belief.

 

[fbm]

The problem with that is you cant make a judgement on anything if you need rock hard evidence of everything.

And neither should you. Judgement without evidence is impossible. Discussion is one thing, but anything else becomes speculation until the evidence is provided and is the main reason on here why so many people are so often spectacularly wrong with their predictions.

 

[fbm]

It as stated is a rumour. FWIW I happen to believe it is true..but that is my choice.

"The concept of empirical proof is subjective just like anything else -- it all comes down to degrees of belief".

Should we have a new thread category called "Unsubstantiated Rumour" as opposed to "Breaking News"?