Penalties

sufc_statto · Aug 19, 2022

Mick said:
Thank you. Do these include penalty shoot-outs and if so do you have the figures for just "real" penalties. What competitions are included ? If the keeper saves it and the taker buries the rebound, is that a score or a miss ? Curious, where did you get the records of missed penalties for, say, early 50s.

The stats do include shoot-outs, The figures for "real" penalties are below.

If a keeper saves the penalty, it goes down as a miss (penalty save) even if the rebound is scored.

The info comes from going through the original match reports published in the Southend Standard. If you go to the library (Forum), you can now download pages from the microfilm copies of the newspapers onto your own memory stick.

Here's the list excluding shoot-outs:

	Taken	Scored	Saved	Missed	% scored
Dave Cusack	10	10	0	0	100.00
Brian Albeson	8	8	0	0	100.00
Frank Burns	7	7	0	0	100.00
Wayne Gray	7	7	0	0	100.00
Mike Marsh	6	6	0	0	100.00
Eddie Firmani	5	5	0	0	100.00
Graham Bressington	5	5	0	0	100.00
John McKinven	5	5	0	0	100.00
Liam Dickinson	5	5	0	0	100.00
David Crown	10	9	1	0	90.00
Lee Barnard	10	9	1	0	90.00
Freddy Eastwood	9	8	1	0	88.89
Jason Demetriou	9	8	1	0	88.89
Alan Moody	28	24	1	3	85.71
Leon Constantine	6	5	1	0	83.33
Terry Bradbury	10	8	1	1	80.00
Steve Phillips	14	11	2	1	78.57
Simon Cox	7	5	1	1	71.43
Barry Corr	12	8	3	1	66.67
Roy McDonough	9	6	2	1	66.67
Andy Sussex	6	4	2	0	66.67
Colin Morris	6	4	2	0	66.67
Martin Carruthers	6	4	2	0	66.67
Jimmy McAlinden	5	3	2	0	60.00
Sam Dalby	5	3	1	1	60.00
Kevin Maher	7	4	3	0	57.14
Sandy Anderson	11	5	5	1	45.45
Dave Martin	9	4	3	2	44.44
Tes Bramble	7	3	2	2	42.86

Linda Loan Shark · Aug 19, 2022

sufc_statto said:
The stats do include shoot-outs, The figures for "real" penalties are below.

If a keeper saves the penalty, it goes down as a miss (penalty save) even if the rebound is scored.

The info comes from going through the original match reports published in the Southend Standard. If you go to the library (Forum), you can now download pages from the microfilm copies of the newspapers onto your own memory stick.

Here's the list excluding shoot-outs:

Taken
Scored
Saved
Missed
% scored
Dave Cusack
10
10
0
0
100.00
Brian Albeson
8
8
0
0
100.00
Frank Burns
7
7
0
0
100.00
Wayne Gray
7
7
0
0
100.00
Mike Marsh
6
6
0
0
100.00
Eddie Firmani
5
5
0
0
100.00
Graham Bressington
5
5
0
0
100.00
John McKinven
5
5
0
0
100.00
Liam Dickinson
5
5
0
0
100.00
David Crown
10
9
1
0
90.00
Lee Barnard
10
9
1
0
90.00
Freddy Eastwood
9
8
1
0
88.89
Jason Demetriou
9
8
1
0
88.89
Alan Moody
28
24
1
3
85.71
Leon Constantine
6
5
1
0
83.33
Terry Bradbury
10
8
1
1
80.00
Steve Phillips
14
11
2
1
78.57
Simon Cox
7
5
1
1
71.43
Barry Corr
12
8
3
1
66.67
Roy McDonough
9
6
2
1
66.67
Andy Sussex
6
4
2
0
66.67
Colin Morris
6
4
2
0
66.67
Martin Carruthers
6
4
2
0
66.67
Jimmy McAlinden
5
3
2
0
60.00
Sam Dalby
5
3
1
1
60.00
Kevin Maher
7
4
3
0
57.14
Sandy Anderson
11
5
5
1
45.45
Dave Martin
9
4
3
2
44.44
Tes Bramble
7
3
2
2
42.86

Announce Dave Cusack

Zeuss · Aug 19, 2022

rigsby said:
He did miss his last one and Crowhurst has done more than enough to keep his slot.

True but yiou need to avoid sentiment and field your best team.

rigsby · Aug 19, 2022

Zeuss said:
True but yiou need to avoid sentiment and field your best team.

Exactly. That is why i would stick with Crowhurst.

Mick · Aug 19, 2022

Stubb said:
Eddie Firmani.....now there was a player. Nearing the end of his playing career but had more football brains than the rest of the team put together.....memories!

..... not just the brains but great ability too.

Kris · Aug 19, 2022

rigsby said:
Indeed it is and it started after ANG snatched the ball from Demi up at Scunthorpe….. Those that said he scored so it doesn’t matter don’t know anything about taking pens.

I personally don't see the relevance, given the change of management and players since then, not to mention that ANG scored. I'm not sure whether Demi was number one anyway despite having a very good record, and he'd missed his previous one.

Funnily enough, however, I realised something very similar had actually happened to me back in 1988 when I lived in Peterborough. It was at under 11s level and I was the designated penalty taker but just I as gathered the ball our manager told me to give it to his son. His son missed and as you can guess I was a more than a bit miffed.

But two decades later, when ANG pinched the ball from Demi, he scored. Were his team-mates angry with him? No, they rushed to celebrate with him. I'm not suggesting that I approved of this but the fact is he scored. Simple as that.

The other thing is, this sort of thing happens regularly so it wasn't unique to us. Richarlison, then of Everton, pinched the ball from his team-mate because he wanted a hat-trick. Can't remember whether it worked or not. Jordan Henderson did the same for England in a friendly and it was saved.

Thing is, what constitutes a good penalty anyway? Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi don't have particularly great records from the spot despite being world class players and the Netherlands have a very poor record in penalty shoot-outs despite having some extremely gifted footballers.

If the keeper guessed right on every penalty, how far would the percentage of successful penalties drop? Like several others on here, I was designated as first choice for three separate teams and my overall record was something like 12 out of 15. However, of the successful penalties, three sent keepers the wrong way but weren't actually struck that well. Had they guessed right, they'd probably have saved them.

Two other examples: Stuart Pearce's second penalty against Germany in Euro 96 would have been saved had the keeper guessed right (his words, not mine!) yet Barry Davies described it as being brilliant; and our own Freddy against Northampton in the play-off semi looked cool but would have been gobbled it up had he guessed right. He took an almost identical penalty several years later and it was awful because the keeper guessed right.

The cliche is that penalties are a lottery, especially in shoot-outs, but maybe it's truer than one might think.

Zeuss · Aug 19, 2022

rigsby said:
Exactly. That is why i would stick with Crowhurst.

Mick · Aug 19, 2022

sufc_statto said:
The stats do include shoot-outs, The figures for "real" penalties are below.

If a keeper saves the penalty, it goes down as a miss (penalty save) even if the rebound is scored.

The info comes from going through the original match reports published in the Southend Standard. If you go to the library (Forum), you can now download pages from the microfilm copies of the newspapers onto your own memory stick.

Here's the list excluding shoot-outs:

Taken
Scored
Saved
Missed
% scored
Dave Cusack
10
10
0
0
100.00
Brian Albeson
8
8
0
0
100.00
Frank Burns
7
7
0
0
100.00
Wayne Gray
7
7
0
0
100.00
Mike Marsh
6
6
0
0
100.00
Eddie Firmani
5
5
0
0
100.00
Graham Bressington
5
5
0
0
100.00
John McKinven
5
5
0
0
100.00
Liam Dickinson
5
5
0
0
100.00
David Crown
10
9
1
0
90.00
Lee Barnard
10
9
1
0
90.00
Freddy Eastwood
9
8
1
0
88.89
Jason Demetriou
9
8
1
0
88.89
Alan Moody
28
24
1
3
85.71
Leon Constantine
6
5
1
0
83.33
Terry Bradbury
10
8
1
1
80.00
Steve Phillips
14
11
2
1
78.57
Simon Cox
7
5
1
1
71.43
Barry Corr
12
8
3
1
66.67
Roy McDonough
9
6
2
1
66.67
Andy Sussex
6
4
2
0
66.67
Colin Morris
6
4
2
0
66.67
Martin Carruthers
6
4
2
0
66.67
Jimmy McAlinden
5
3
2
0
60.00
Sam Dalby
5
3
1
1
60.00
Kevin Maher
7
4
3
0
57.14
Sandy Anderson
11
5
5
1
45.45
Dave Martin
9
4
3
2
44.44
Tes Bramble
7
3
2
2
42.86

Thank you again. A more meaningful table of things that are actually part of the matches.
You didn't answer the bit about which competitions although I'd guess League, FA Cup, League Cup, League Trophy in its various guises and Anglo- Italian ?

sufc_statto · Aug 19, 2022

Mick said:
Thank you again. A more meaningful table of things that are actually part of the matches.
You didn't answer the bit about which competitions although I'd guess League, FA Cup, League Cup, League Trophy in its various guises and Anglo- Italian ?

Mick, yes indeed you are correct. All games deemed as first class, which does include the Anglo-Italian Cup (one penalty from Mike Marsh).

mfurok · Aug 19, 2022

Yorkshire Blue said:
Amazing stuff but Graham Bressington’s stat makes me sad.

I’ve never heard of Frank Burns.

When he stepped up to take that penalty at Meadow Lane I knew he would score……still love him though.

mfurok · Aug 19, 2022

sufc_statto said:
Mick, yes indeed you are correct. All games deemed as first class, which does include the Anglo-Italian Cup (one penalty from Mike Marsh).

GB’s miss was in the Anglo Italian Anglo Final.

B.B.The Legend Lives On. · Aug 19, 2022

Mick said:
..... not just the brains but great ability too.

Mick, Eddie was also a fantastic person as well, and definitely not a fan of Alvan Williams

Fairport · Aug 19, 2022

B.B.The Legend Lives On. said:
Mick, Eddie was also a fantastic person as well, and definitely not a fan of Alvan Williams

Eddie Firmani was often seen at the Pier bowling alley when ten pin bowling was all the rage in the 1960's.

Mick · Aug 20, 2022

B.B.The Legend Lives On. said:
Mick, Eddie was also a fantastic person as well, and definitely not a fan of Alvan Williams

..... was anyone ?

Massimo Giovanni · Aug 20, 2022

Who coaches our penalty takers?
I am assuming there is some coaching and training on this?

C V Shrimper · Aug 20, 2022

Massimo Giovanni said:
Who coaches our penalty takers?
I am assuming there is some coaching and training on this?

Stevie Wonder?

flangejackrabbit · Aug 20, 2022

Loan Shark Linda said:
Announce Dave Cusack

Dave Cusack!

Yorkshire Blue · Oct 29, 2023

JackBridge draws level with Eastwood and Crown with his 9th penalty out of 10.

cerbera45 · Oct 29, 2023

Massimo Giovanni said:
Who coaches our penalty takers?
I am assuming there is some coaching and training on this?

Surely the player's practice before and/or after training?

Hawkwell Blue · Oct 29, 2023

Fairport said:
Eddie Firmani was often seen at the Pier bowling alley when ten pin bowling was all the rage in the 1960's.

And possibly the only Blues’ player to get name checked in an internationally acclaimed film. He was mentioned in “Buster” when Buster Edwards found out that Charlton had drawn 2-2 and was told Firmani had scored both goals. Not a lot of people know that

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