Penalties

Yorkshire Blue · Aug 18, 2022

kentblues said:
You have to look over a reasonable period and its still 9 out of 11. And before those two misses after he was the regular penalty taker it was 9 from 9.

If you can't take penalties just because you miss a couple then that rules out Powell who has missed his last two and the only other available player who has scored for us from the spot in a competitive game is Clifford with 1.

So then its looking at the records of new signings that are are available to play? That I haven't looked at admittedly.

Penalties are something I would look much more at recent form for. It’s like a boxer before and after they’ve been knocked out for the first time.

Chris Wreh looks like he should be a good penalty taker. I don’t suppose anyone knows his record from the spot?

Shrimpet steve · Aug 18, 2022

Yorkshire Blue said:
Let’s attempt a thread to chronicle our fortunes from the penalty spot.

From memory aided with a quick google search the last few years it’s been:

2020-21

Humphrys v W*** H** Mickey Mouse Cup
Demetriou v Exeter (H)
Olayinka v Boreham Wood (A) FA Cup pen shoot out
Rush v Boreham Wood (A) FA Cup pen shoot out
Clifford v Boreham Wood (A) FA Cup pen shoot out
Nathaniel-George Boreham Wood (A) FA Cup pen shoot out
Demetriou Boreham Wood (A) FA Cup pen shoot out
Nathaniel-George v Scunthorpe (A)
Akinola v Carlisle (H)
Rush v Newport (H)

2021-22

Murphy v Dover (H)
Dalby v Chesterfield (A) FA Cup
Murphy v Dorking (H) FA Trophy
Dalby v Kings Lynn (H)
Dalby v Chesterfield (A)
Dalby v Grimsby (H)
Dalby v Notts Co (H)
Cardwell v Barnet (A)
Demetriou v Wealdstone (H)
Powell v Weymouth (H)

2022-23

Powell

If I’ve missed any (pun not intended) add them below.

And if any one has records further back that would be great as well.

From the current squad we have two with 100% records both surnames start with C and are injured so maybe from this extensive and scientific survey it should be Jaden Crowhurst on spot kick duty (I’d have had Wreh on penalty duties).

Wow u really do have to much time on your hands lol good work.

Shrimpet steve · Aug 18, 2022

Just let mooney take them and watch the net bulge.

kentblues · Aug 18, 2022

Shrimpet steve said:
Just let mooney take them and watch the net bulge.

Didn't he have a go? and it didn't so much as ripple?

kentblues · Aug 18, 2022

Yorkshire Blue said:
Penalties are something I would look much more at recent form for. It’s like a boxer before and after they’ve been knocked out for the first time.

Chris Wreh looks like he should be a good penalty taker. I don’t suppose anyone knows his record from the spot?

Most recently I guess you will want. At Banbury Stevens was the normal penalty taker- Wreh did take one...he missed...

Zeuss · Aug 18, 2022

Exiled Shrimper said:
Prior to those two seasons:

2019/20

Demetriou vs Accrington (a)
Kelman vs AFC Wimbledon (a)
Demetriou vs MK Dons (h)
Demetriou vs Rotherham (h)

2018/19

Cox vs Portsmouth (h)
Cox vs Plymouth (h)
McCoulsky vs Luton (a) EFL Trophy shoot-out
McLoughlin vs Luton (a) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Kightly vs Luton (a) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Mantom vs Luton (a) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Demetriou vs Plymouth (a)

2017/18

Demetriou vs Peterborough (a)
Demetriou vs Northampton (a)
Demetriou vs Oldham (h)
Wright vs MK Dons (a)
Ranger vs Portsmouth (a)
Cox vs Colchester (h) EFL Trophy
Ranger vs Fleetwood (a)
Cox vs Peterborough (h)

2016/17

Cox vs MK Dons (a)
Cox vs Chesterfield (a)
Wordsworth vs Oldham (h)
McLoughlin vs Oxford (h) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Leonard vs Oxford (h) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Wordsworth vs Oxford (h) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Demetriou vs Oxford (h) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Cox vs Oxford (h) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Wordsworth vs Peterborough (h)
Wordsworth vs Oxford (h)
Cox vs Bristol Rovers (h)

2015/16

Payne vs Crewe (h)
Barnett vs Crewe (h)
D Mooney vs Port Vale (a)
Barnett vs Coventry (h)
D Mooney vs Bury (h)
D Mooney vs Peterborough (h)
D Mooney vs Coventry (a)

2014/15

Bolger vs Wycombe (n) Play-Off Final shoot-out
Weston vs Wycombe (n) Play-Off Final shoot-out
Barrett vs Wycombe (n) Play-Off Final shoot-out
Timlin vs Wycombe (n) Play-Off Final shoot-out
Payne vs Wycombe (n) Play-Off Final shoot-out
Leonard vs Wycombe (n) Play-Off Final shoot-out
B Coker vs Wycombe (n) Play-Off Final shoot-out
Pigott vs Wycombe (n) Play-Off Final shoot-out
Corr vs Stevenage (h) Play-Off Semi-Final
Corr vs Burton (a)
Corr vs Dagenham (a)
Corr vs Stevenage (a)
Coulthirst vs York (h)
Corr vs Northampton (h)
Corr vs Chester (h) FA Cup
Weston vs Newport (a)
Weston vs York (a)
Payne vs AFC Wimbledon (a) EFL Trophy shoot-out
B Coker vs AFC Wimbledon (a) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Corr vs AFC Wimbledon (a) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Barnard vs AFC Wimbledon (a) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Barnard vs Accrington (a)
Corr vs Accrington (a)

2013/14

Barnard vs Oxford (h)
Corr vs Chesterfield (a) FA Cup
Corr vs Fleetwood (h)

2012/13

Assombalonga vs Aldershot (a)
Clohessy vs AFC Wimbledon (h)
Clohessy vs Port Vale (a)
Benyon vs Oxford (a) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Timlin vs Oxford (a) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Clohessy vs Oxford (a) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Tomlin vs Oxford (a) EFL Trophy shoot-out
Tomlin vs Bury (h) FA Cup shoot-out
Hurst vs Bury (h) FA Cup shoot-out
Clohessy vs Bury (h) FA Cup shoot-out
Eastwood vs Bury (h) FA Cup shoot-out
Eastwood vs Aldershot (h)
Eastwood vs Barnet (h)
Tomlin vs AFC Wimbledon (h) EFL Trophy

So, overall in the last decade, including shoot-outs, we’ve taken 97 penalties, scoring 66 (just over two-thirds) with 31 unsuccessful.

Of the regular penalty-takers (8+ penalties) in that time, Demetriou’s 9/11 is by far the best success-rate. Cox scored 5/8 and Corr 6/10.

Eight out of eight for Demetriou here—another reason to welcome him back in the team for Saturday.

kentblues · Aug 18, 2022

I think Demi is the start point 9/11 (and a run of 9/9). Then you say who do we have that is better and playing/not injured. Thats the challenge...

rigsby · Aug 18, 2022

Zeuss said:
Eight out of eight for Demetriou here—another reason to welcome him back in the team for Saturday.

He did miss his last one and Crowhurst has done more than enough to keep his slot.

Shrimpet steve · Aug 18, 2022

kentblues said:
Didn't he have a go? and it didn't so much as ripple?

Not sure? He can take a good free kick so just thought he would take a good pen

sufc_statto · Aug 18, 2022

Here is a summary of Southend Penalty takers who have taken 5 or more since WW2

	Taken	Scored	Saved	Missed	% scored
Dave Cusack	10	10	0	0	100.00
Brian Albeson	8	8	0	0	100.00
Wayne Gray	8	8	0	0	100.00
Frank Burns	7	7	0	0	100.00
Mike Marsh	6	6	0	0	100.00
Sean Clohessy	6	6	0	0	100.00
Eddie Firmani	5	5	0	0	100.00
John McKinven	5	5	0	0	100.00
David Crown	10	9	1	0	90.00
Freddy Eastwood	10	9	1	0	90.00
Alan Moody	28	24	1	3	85.71
Graham Bressington	6	5	0	1	83.33
Leon Constantine	6	5	1	0	83.33
Liam Dickinson	6	5	1	0	83.33
Jason Demetriou	11	9	1	1	81.82
Lee Barnard	11	9	2	0	81.82
Terry Bradbury	10	8	1	1	80.00
Steve Phillips	14	11	2	1	78.57
Andy Sussex	7	5	2	0	71.43
Roy McDonough	9	6	2	1	66.67
Colin Morris	6	4	2	0	66.67
Martin Carruthers	6	4	2	0	66.67
Barry Corr	14	9	3	2	64.29
Kevin Maher	8	5	3	0	62.50
Simon Cox	8	5	2	1	62.50
Jimmy McAlinden	5	3	2	0	60.00
Sam Dalby	5	3	1	1	60.00
Sandy Anderson	11	5	5	1	45.45
Dave Martin	9	4	3	2	44.44
Tes Bramble	7	3	2	2	42.86

Yorkshire Blue · Aug 18, 2022

sufc_statto said:
Here is a summary of Southend Penalty takers who have taken 5 or more since WW2

Taken
Scored
Saved
Missed
% scored
Dave Cusack
10
10
0
0
100.00
Brian Albeson
8
8
0
0
100.00
Wayne Gray
8
8
0
0
100.00
Frank Burns
7
7
0
0
100.00
Mike Marsh
6
6
0
0
100.00
Sean Clohessy
6
6
0
0
100.00
Eddie Firmani
5
5
0
0
100.00
John McKinven
5
5
0
0
100.00
David Crown
10
9
1
0
90.00
Freddy Eastwood
10
9
1
0
90.00
Alan Moody
28
24
1
3
85.71
Graham Bressington
6
5
0
1
83.33
Leon Constantine
6
5
1
0
83.33
Liam Dickinson
6
5
1
0
83.33
Jason Demetriou
11
9
1
1
81.82
Lee Barnard
11
9
2
0
81.82
Terry Bradbury
10
8
1
1
80.00
Steve Phillips
14
11
2
1
78.57
Andy Sussex
7
5
2
0
71.43
Roy McDonough
9
6
2
1
66.67
Colin Morris
6
4
2
0
66.67
Martin Carruthers
6
4
2
0
66.67
Barry Corr
14
9
3
2
64.29
Kevin Maher
8
5
3
0
62.50
Simon Cox
8
5
2
1
62.50
Jimmy McAlinden
5
3
2
0
60.00
Sam Dalby
5
3
1
1
60.00
Sandy Anderson
11
5
5
1
45.45
Dave Martin
9
4
3
2
44.44
Tes Bramble
7
3
2
2
42.86

Amazing stuff but Graham Bressington’s stat makes me sad.

I’ve never heard of Frank Burns.

OldBlueLady · Aug 19, 2022

sufc_statto said:
Here is a summary of Southend Penalty takers who have taken 5 or more since WW2

Taken
Scored
Saved
Missed
% scored
Dave Cusack
10
10
0
0
100.00
Brian Albeson
8
8
0
0
100.00
Wayne Gray
8
8
0
0
100.00
Frank Burns
7
7
0
0
100.00
Mike Marsh
6
6
0
0
100.00
Sean Clohessy
6
6
0
0
100.00
Eddie Firmani
5
5
0
0
100.00
John McKinven
5
5
0
0
100.00
David Crown
10
9
1
0
90.00
Freddy Eastwood
10
9
1
0
90.00
Alan Moody
28
24
1
3
85.71
Graham Bressington
6
5
0
1
83.33
Leon Constantine
6
5
1
0
83.33
Liam Dickinson
6
5
1
0
83.33
Jason Demetriou
11
9
1
1
81.82
Lee Barnard
11
9
2
0
81.82
Terry Bradbury
10
8
1
1
80.00
Steve Phillips
14
11
2
1
78.57
Andy Sussex
7
5
2
0
71.43
Roy McDonough
9
6
2
1
66.67
Colin Morris
6
4
2
0
66.67
Martin Carruthers
6
4
2
0
66.67
Barry Corr
14
9
3
2
64.29
Kevin Maher
8
5
3
0
62.50
Simon Cox
8
5
2
1
62.50
Jimmy McAlinden
5
3
2
0
60.00
Sam Dalby
5
3
1
1
60.00
Sandy Anderson
11
5
5
1
45.45
Dave Martin
9
4
3
2
44.44
Tes Bramble
7
3
2
2
42.86

It's really interesting, I don't remember Clohessy taking them for us!

GBJ · Aug 19, 2022

Yorkshire Blue said:
Think Mike Marsh was probably the best penalty taker I can remember. Probably helped that he didn’t feel pressure playing for Southend.

I can remember Mike Marsh scoring a pen against Port Vale on a cold Tuesday evening in ‘95…. My first game.

For that reason alone, Marsh will always be one of my favourite penalty takers.

GBJ · Aug 19, 2022

More rambling…. One of the best pens that sticks in my mind is Fred’s against Northampton in the play-off semi.

That boy had ice in his veins that day.

rigsby · Aug 19, 2022

Talking Yesterday with a mate I played a lot of local football with. I Reckon i must have a similar penalty record as Alan Moody.

I definitely missed 4. Two during a match and two in shootouts. Including having the 5th one saved in a final at Eastwood bury lane. It was to win the game. My embarrassment was rescued when another poster on here scored our 7th to win the cup…… Funny thing is i had scored our goal during the 90 and he had scored their goal with an Oggy….. I still felt bad in the bar after. Back then i would have died if we had lost

londonblue · Aug 19, 2022

sufc_statto said:
Here is a summary of Southend Penalty takers who have taken 5 or more since WW2

Taken
Scored
Saved
Missed
% scored
Dave Cusack
10
10
0
0
100.00
Brian Albeson
8
8
0
0
100.00
Wayne Gray
8
8
0
0
100.00
Frank Burns
7
7
0
0
100.00
Mike Marsh
6
6
0
0
100.00
Sean Clohessy
6
6
0
0
100.00
Eddie Firmani
5
5
0
0
100.00
John McKinven
5
5
0
0
100.00
David Crown
10
9
1
0
90.00
Freddy Eastwood
10
9
1
0
90.00
Alan Moody
28
24
1
3
85.71
Graham Bressington
6
5
0
1
83.33
Leon Constantine
6
5
1
0
83.33
Liam Dickinson
6
5
1
0
83.33
Jason Demetriou
11
9
1
1
81.82
Lee Barnard
11
9
2
0
81.82
Terry Bradbury
10
8
1
1
80.00
Steve Phillips
14
11
2
1
78.57
Andy Sussex
7
5
2
0
71.43
Roy McDonough
9
6
2
1
66.67
Colin Morris
6
4
2
0
66.67
Martin Carruthers
6
4
2
0
66.67
Barry Corr
14
9
3
2
64.29
Kevin Maher
8
5
3
0
62.50
Simon Cox
8
5
2
1
62.50
Jimmy McAlinden
5
3
2
0
60.00
Sam Dalby
5
3
1
1
60.00
Sandy Anderson
11
5
5
1
45.45
Dave Martin
9
4
3
2
44.44
Tes Bramble
7
3
2
2
42.86

I was going to mention Dave Cusack. I loved the way he took penalties. Adam Barrett and Cian Bolger did pretty much the same thing at Wembley. The difference was the Dave Cusack hit the ball twice as hard...or so it seemed. I feared for any goalkeeper that got in the way, it would have left them out injured for the rest of the season.

However, I distinctly remember seeing him miss a penalty when he didn't hit it as hard as he could, and tried to place it. I was sitting in the East Blacks (except they were benches and not black then!) and he missed in front of the South bank (before the flats and stand were built). He tried to place it to the goalkeeper's right and put it wide. However, the ref said the 'keeper moved so it had to be re-taken. This time DC reverted to type and smashed it. This time the 'keeper really didn't move, the ball was too quick for him!

Supa Shrimpa · Aug 19, 2022

londonblue said:
I was going to mention Dave Cusack. I loved the way he took penalties. Adam Barrett and Cian Bolger did pretty much the same thing at Wembley. The difference was the Dave Cusack hit the ball twice as hard...or so it seemed. I feared for any goalkeeper that got in the way, it would have left the out for the rest of the season.

However, I distinctly remember seeing him miss a penalty when he didn't hit it as hard as he could, and tried to place it. I was sitting in the East Blacks (except they were benches and not black then!) and he missed in front of the South bank (before the flats and stand were built). He tried to place it to the goalkeeper's right and put it wide. However, the ref said the 'keeper moved so it had to be re-taken. This time DC reverted to type and smashed it. This time the 'keeper really didn't move, the ball was too quick for him!

Oh yes. I remember Cusack's pens, aswell. Jeez...did he hit them hard !!

Mick · Aug 19, 2022

sufc_statto said:
Here is a summary of Southend Penalty takers who have taken 5 or more since WW2

Taken
Scored
Saved
Missed
% scored
Dave Cusack
10
10
0
0
100.00
Brian Albeson
8
8
0
0
100.00
Wayne Gray
8
8
0
0
100.00
Frank Burns
7
7
0
0
100.00
Mike Marsh
6
6
0
0
100.00
Sean Clohessy
6
6
0
0
100.00
Eddie Firmani
5
5
0
0
100.00
John McKinven
5
5
0
0
100.00
David Crown
10
9
1
0
90.00
Freddy Eastwood
10
9
1
0
90.00
Alan Moody
28
24
1
3
85.71
Graham Bressington
6
5
0
1
83.33
Leon Constantine
6
5
1
0
83.33
Liam Dickinson
6
5
1
0
83.33
Jason Demetriou
11
9
1
1
81.82
Lee Barnard
11
9
2
0
81.82
Terry Bradbury
10
8
1
1
80.00
Steve Phillips
14
11
2
1
78.57
Andy Sussex
7
5
2
0
71.43
Roy McDonough
9
6
2
1
66.67
Colin Morris
6
4
2
0
66.67
Martin Carruthers
6
4
2
0
66.67
Barry Corr
14
9
3
2
64.29
Kevin Maher
8
5
3
0
62.50
Simon Cox
8
5
2
1
62.50
Jimmy McAlinden
5
3
2
0
60.00
Sam Dalby
5
3
1
1
60.00
Sandy Anderson
11
5
5
1
45.45
Dave Martin
9
4
3
2
44.44
Tes Bramble
7
3
2
2
42.86

Thank you. Do these include penalty shoot-outs and if so do you have the figures for just "real" penalties. What competitions are included ? If the keeper saves it and the taker buries the rebound, is that a score or a miss ? Curious, where did you get the records of missed penalties for, say, early 50s.

londonblue · Aug 19, 2022

Mick said:
Thank you. Do these include penalty shoot-outs and if so do you have the figures for just "real" penalties. What competitions are included ? If the keeper saves it and the taker buries the rebound, is that a score or a miss ? Curious, where did you get the records of missed penalties for, say, early 50s.

I don't know about the stats, but when a penalty taker scores from the rebound they're usually considered goals from open play.

Stubb · Aug 19, 2022

Eddie Firmani.....now there was a player. Nearing the end of his playing career but had more football brains than the rest of the team put together.....memories!

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