Nelson Mandela Dead

[Hotman]

ANC were fighting for equality and democracy, Al Qaeda fight against both of those concepts - that's a big difference.

Obviously neither of us have experienced it first hand, but here's someone who has

http://www.ilanamercer.com/phprunner/public_article_list_view.php?editid1=543

Here is news of a new group, EFF, joining ANC in the anti-white movement

http://newobserveronline.com/hard-t...for-vicious-anti-white-party-in-south-africa/

Post apartheid, here is an article from Reuters about ANC defending racist chants

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/03/30/ozatp-safrica-racism-idAFJOE62T0IM20100330

Plenty more out there honey, racism cuts both ways x

 

[Hotman]

Even great poeple make wrong choices in the process of life,churchill included.

The greatest are those that apologise to those impacted by those choices. Mandela had admitted terrorism but not apologised.

 

[Shrimper]

I'm not going to get in a debate about it as I was too young to really know about what was going on and I didn't live through it . But my belief is that he did a lot of good for that country regardless of what he might've done in his younger volatile self. He got wiser as he got older and saved a lot of lives. I don't agree with the need for a minutes silence at football games though.

 

[Hotman]

Is it just a 'younger volatile self' that creates a terrorist organisation? Is it just a 'younger volatile self' that heads up a racist party who have caused more social division post-apartheid than the BNP do in the UK?

A man with AIDS who rapes 100 women, and then creates a cure for AIDS is not a hero - he has just performed some good deeds and 100 atrocities.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The important thing about Mandela (as anyone who's read his autobiography The Long Walk to Freedom knows) is that he didn't hate.

That is his legacy to all of us.

(I'm proud that I was able to go to South Africa in 1996 -just two years after he became the first black President of South Africa -and see him present the winning trophy to the host nation in the African Nations Cup).

He was a great man.RIP.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

The important thing about Mandela (as anyone who's read his autobiography The Long Walk to Freedom knows) is that he didn't hate.

That is his legacy to all of us.

(I'm proud that I was able to go to South Africa in 1996 -just two years after he became the first black President of South Africa -and see him present the winning trophy to the host nation in the African Nations Cup).

He was a great man.RIP.

So was he showing love when that burning tyre was placed over the white mans head?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

So was he showing love when that burning tyre was placed over the white mans head?

Doesn't matter how many times you state this lie as a fact it is still a lie and makes the discussion a bit pointless.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Doesn't matter how many times you state this lie as a fact it is still a lie and makes the discussion a bit pointless.

Are you trying to say that this didn't happen? Next you will say the Holocaust was a mis-reported bit of history

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

So was he showing love when that burning tyre was placed over the white mans head?

I was referring to the 27 years he spent in prison for whatever crimes of "sabatoge" that he was alleged to have committed.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Are you trying to say that this didn't happen? Next you will say the Holocaust was a mis-reported bit of history

Mandela - white man - burning tyre - when did this happen?
That was a brutal and sickening punishment seen in townships where no white people went as their living areas were segregated. So I think you are mistaken and referring to something that didn't happen.

 

[Firestorm]

Are you trying to say that this didn't happen? Next you will say the Holocaust was a mis-reported bit of history

The first recorded necklacing was in 1985 whist NM was in prison. It was a punishment usually used for black who collaborated with the apartheid regime.
I doubt that NM would have been physically capable of actually managing the act once he had been released . However put a link up to the report of it and I will retract that assumption.
It was, however used by followers of Winnie who his basically disowned and divorced once he had been released and he found out about her actions whilat he was on the inside

 

[davewebbsbrain]

The first recorded necklacing was in 1985 whist NM was in prison. It was a punishment usually used for black who collaborated with the apartheid regime.
I doubt that NM would have been physically capable of actually managing the act once he had been released . However put a link up to the report of it and I will retract that assumption.
It was, however used by followers of Winnie who his basically disowned and divorced once he had been released and he found out about her actions whilat he was on the inside

So mandela didnt kill anydody then? I was under the impression the necklacing was mandelas doing. If it wasnt i stand corrected but there is plenty of evidence that he was a terrorist and people were murdered by his regime before he was imprisoned

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

So mandela didnt kill anydody then? I was under the impression the necklacing was mandelas doing. If it wasnt i stand corrected but there is plenty of evidence that he was a terrorist and people were murdered by his regime before he was imprisoned

You were asked to provide a link to show you have some evidence for your claims.Where is it?:unsure:

During the sabotage campaign that he was imprisoned for, activitists were told to attack property but not at the risk of human life.

http://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela

"Operating through a cell structure, the MK agreed to acts of sabotage to exert maximum pressure on the government with minimum casualties, bombing military installations, power plants, telephone lines and transport links at night, when civilians were not present. Mandela himself stated that they chose sabotage not only because it was the least harmful action, but also "because it did not involve loss of life [and] it offered the best hope for reconciliation among the races afterward." He noted that "strict instructions were given to members of MK that we would countenance no loss of life"

 

[Hotman]

The important thing about Mandela (as anyone who's read his autobiography The Long Walk to Freedom knows) is that he didn't hate.

That is his legacy to all of us.

(I'm proud that I was able to go to South Africa in 1996 -just two years after he became the first black President of South Africa -and see him present the winning trophy to the host nation in the African Nations Cup).

He was a great man.RIP.

Can't say I'm shocked about your support of a commie comrade

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

There's scant evidence that NM was ever a communist.


Why aren't you at the game? :winking:

 

[Firestorm]

So mandela didnt kill anydody then? I was under the impression the necklacing was mandelas doing. If it wasnt i stand corrected but there is plenty of evidence that he was a terrorist and people were murdered by his regime before he was imprisoned

Didn' t say he hadn't killed anyone , but I would hazard a guess that if the south african regime of the 60's could not "find" enough evidence to secure a conviction for Murder , that there are few facts out there to support the claim that he had

 

[Hotman]

Interesting obituary which isn't the blinkered hero-worship, yet remains balanced. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...a-he-was-never-simply-the-benign-old-man.html

 

[Hotman]

There's scant evidence that NM was ever a communist.Why aren't you at the game? :winking:

Prof. Ellis found enough evidence for his book. Guess we'll never know for sure now.

3-1 :-)

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Prof. Ellis found enough evidence for his book. Guess we'll never know for sure now.

If he was, it was only ever for a brief period, in the late 50's or early 60's.

"Although Mandela himself denied ever being a Communist Party member, historical research has suggested that he might have been for a short period, starting from the late 1950s or early 1960s,"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

So was he showing love when that burning tyre was placed over the white mans head?

I think and i may as always be wrong but i do think his ex wife Winnie was the one who ordered the burning tyre gag.