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Nelson Mandela Dead

"I wonder how the world would be if he had been hanged all those years ago"


Or how the world would be reacting now had he not been jailed and had carried on being the head honcho of an organisation that carried out some pretty atrocious acts in the name of 'freedom'. In fact thinking about it. What would you all think if he hadn't been jailed but had gone on to lead the ANC for many years and they'd eventually overthrown the white apartheid regime using the same violent methods he was all in favour of before he was jailed?
 
How Is someone who openly admits he used to pursue acts of sabotage with explosives which risked causing injury and death being taken out of context?
 
I'm with you on this Ricey. I have a SA ex brother in law and the missus brothers mate is SA and without a doubt both are downright arrogant and rude. Also, my sister has spent many weeks out in SA when she was married to him and she has also said all of them, bar none, had an air of holier than thou attitude about them and none of them had a good word to say about any other nation except their own.
 
How Is someone who openly admits he used to pursue acts of sabotage with explosives which risked causing injury and death being taken out of context?

You still haven't answered Pubey's question.

Another question, could you say the same about Churchill? Did he not agree to bomb cities and cause death and injuries?
 
You still haven't answered Pubey's question.

Another question, could you say the same about Churchill? Did he not agree to bomb cities and cause death and injuries?
Not really the same Chapperz. The other option would have been not to do it and extend the war further or give those nasty jerries a chance to get back in it.


I'm guessing he probably had 100% support from the people of this and many other countries.
 
Not really the same Chapperz. The other option would have been not to do it and extend the war further or give those nasty jerries a chance to get back in it.


I'm guessing he probably had 100% support from the people of this and many other countries.

They are both fighting for something they believe in. We joined the war to stop the Nazi regime, like Mandela wanted to abolish the apartheid in Africa.

I'm sure Mandela had the support of lots of people as well.

It might not be a great comparison, but that is mainly due to my lack of historical knowledge. I know it is a much better or closer than comparing Mandela with people who commit mass murder and rape for no reason.
 
Question for GBJ, TB, DTS etc:

Imagine this.

We're all White British football fans. Imagine our country was suddenly taken over by another race of people (for instance, Australians). Imagine that they ran the country, destroyed our culture (all pubs only served Fosters, the only TV was Home & Away). They started to segregate the Australian immigrants and indigenous Brits. If you didn't meet their laws, then horrible things happened, like:

shot for protesting
everyone was squeezed into 13% of the total land - Yorkshire?
Social conservatism banned lots of stuff.Women were oppressed, many people forced into poverty. Approximately 40,000 people were whipped brutally each year. You weren't allowed to freely move. Fleeing was pretty much impossible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid_in_South_Africa

If some inspiring leaders were organising a revolution/militant opposition to this, to establish equality and freedom for the oppressed Brits - would you take part? Would you take part in sabotaging the governments infrastructure? Would you try and assassinate the leaders?

Just curious.

I am sure 100% that I would be involved and I would do the same as NM. So I don't dispute what he did for his people. I wouldn't however expect the world to remember me as some sort of saviour if I been involved all be it indirectly in the murder of innocent people.

My own real issue with the death of NM is the media portrayal of him as a saviour without a mention of his past. If you wanted to look at a true saviour then Gandhi for example did similar to NM without the need to be involved in a militia movement.
 
Spot on. It seems very easy to take his crimes out of context. I am curious as to how those who pass Mandela off as a "terrorist" would react in the situation above, would you stay out of trouble and just accept that you will be treated like animals your entire like or stand up against it?

Had one of your love ones been killed by the ANC I wonder what context you would have taken it in?
 
You still haven't answered Pubey's question.

Another question, could you say the same about Churchill? Did he not agree to bomb cities and cause death and injuries?

We had issues a declaration of war with another nation. What do you expect him to do?
 
Question for Chapperz, Pubey , MK etc.

Just wonder how you feel about the Al Qaeda attacks on Western Targets in Muslim lands. Is there that much difference between what Mandela did and what Bin Laden did?

Both used terrorism to attack western people in their own lands to support a belief they had. Both the ANC and Al-Qaeda attacked a shopping mall to kill western hostages? Both committed atrocities (as did the West I am sure).

Do you feel Bin laden is the same as NM?
 
We had issues a declaration of war with another nation. What do you expect him to do?

He was the one responsible for declaring war in the first place.

Question for Chapperz, Pubey , MK etc.

Just wonder how you feel about the Al Qaeda attacks on Western Targets in Muslim lands. Is there that much difference between what Mandela did and what Bin Laden did?

Both used terrorism to attack western people in their own lands to support a belief they had. Both the ANC and Al-Qaeda attacked a shopping mall to kill western hostages? Both committed atrocities (as did the West I am sure).

Do you feel Bin laden is the same as NM?

Did the "West" invade his home country and then set up laws which mean that Muslims were treated the same as Pubey said above? What was Bin Laden even fighting against?

Mandela may have attacked western people "in their own lands", but they took that land in the first place and forced people out into new land which they called "black land".

Fighting someone because they took your land and are oppressing you because of your race is different to fighting against someone who is half way round the world because they have different beliefs to you.
 
Had one of your love ones been killed by the ANC I wonder what context you would have taken it in?

What if one of your love ones had been oppressed and killed because of the aparthied?
 
He was the one responsible for declaring war in the first place.



Did the "West" invade his home country and then set up laws which mean that Muslims were treated the same as Pubey said above? What was Bin Laden even fighting against?

Mandela may have attacked western people "in their own lands", but they took that land in the first place and forced people out into new land which they called "black land".

Fighting someone because they took your land and are oppressing you because of your race is different to fighting against someone who is half way round the world because they have different beliefs to you.

Westerns were foreign invaders in Africa in the ANC eyes and Westerns are foreign invaders in A.Q eyes.
 
I think he deserves credit for assuming the Presidency of an African country and not immediately slaughtering all of his political opponents, whilst filtering the nations wealth into a personal Swiss bank account and winning subsequent 'fair' elections with 99.8% of the common vote.

My biggest regret with this today is that Bono will now spend the next week educating us on all things Mandela; the jumped up bog trotter. And I'm also keeping a weary eye out for Geldof...
 
You still haven't answered Pubey's question.

Another question, could you say the same about Churchill? Did he not agree to bomb cities and cause death and injuries?

He never asked me one. And as for Churchill, if he hadn't taken the decisions he did then you and me probably wouldn't be having this little chat.
 
He never asked me one. And as for Churchill, if he hadn't taken the decisions he did then you and me probably wouldn't be having this little chat.

No we probably wouldn't, but then you could say the same about black people in Africa.
 
Genuinely surprised at the amount of people calling him a terrorist.

Was a great leader with a powerful voice. RIP
 

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