national league

[crangoner]

It was pretty dodgy last season how Stevenage miraculously stayed up only after how deep in it Macclesfield were found to be and therefore wouldn't realistically have mounted much of a legal challenge to the FA/EFL (plus them having to only relegate one team from the 92). Different kettle of fish this time around.

 

[Petejames]

So basically if all 3 leagues don't vote by 75% to let each league decide it comes down to a simple majority vote for all 66 clubs.

Even if they do decide by level then it requires more than 50% of the teams at each level to vote to continue.

There is no ppg, there is only null and void with no promotion or relegation

I can’t see more than 50% saying play on I really can’t but that’s me trying to put myself in the individual clubs positions, they would be putting there club at unnecessary risk

 

[Mick]

In respect of new grounds to visit,no change for me as things stand:
3 in League 2: Barrow,Harrogate,Salford
3 in National League: Eastleigh,Kings Lynn,Weymouth.

...... roughly half the distance though.

 

[superblue24]

when will we know the outcome of the vote? Is there any deadline to votes being in?

 

[Mick]

when will we know the outcome of the vote? Is there any deadline to votes being in?

28 days hence.

 

[Mick]

So basically if all 3 leagues don't vote by 75% to let each league decide it comes down to a simple majority vote for all 66 clubs.

Even if they do decide by level then it requires more than 50% of the teams at each level to vote to continue.

There is no ppg, there is only null and void with no promotion or relegation

Yes ..... and no. Votes 1 and 4 are counted under "prescribed voting conditions" which, by inference, is not one club, one vote. It might be weighted towards the top division clubs.

 

[Shrimper]

Correct. 1 club 1 vote top division. 4 votes per division below I think

 

[Mick]

Yes ..... and no. Votes 1 and 4 are counted under "prescribed voting conditions" which, by inference, is not one club, one vote. It might be weighted towards the top division clubs.

As stated it is 4 votes per N/S division and 1 per club top division.

So with 23 clubs getting 1 vote, that makes 31 votes of which 24 are needed to carry motion 1. That’s more than all Step 1 clubs, so Step 2 have the deciding votes on whether the Steps should be treated separately.

 

[rowe23]

So

Correct. 1 club 1 vote top division. 4 votes per division below I think

based on that, if my understanding is correct if option 1 is not passed and they use option 4, I.e all clubs voting not split between tier 1 (NL) tier 2 (NLN/S) and on the basis 8 votes are provided by NLN/S ie majority in these leagues vote to null and void it would still need another 8 clubs in NL to vote same way for it to be null and void, which I think is very unlikely as Wrexham have said they will abstain from voting. But I’m more interested to understand what happens if the clubs that vote to null and void don’t want to play or more importantly can’t afford to pay, can they be forced to take the loan? If not then what happens if they choose to band together and refuse to play.

 

[Petejames]

when will we know the outcome of the vote? Is there any deadline to votes being in?

So

based on that, if my understanding is correct if option 1 is not passed and they use option 4, I.e all clubs voting not split between tier 1 (NL) tier 2 (NLN/S) and on the basis 8 votes are provided by NLN/S ie majority in these leagues vote to null and void it would still need another 8 clubs in NL to vote same way for it to be null and void, which I think is very unlikely as Wrexham have said they will abstain from voting. But I’m more interested to understand what happens if the clubs that vote to null and void don’t want to play or more importantly can’t afford to pay, can they be forced to take the loan? If not then what happens if they choose to band together and refuse to play.

it’s quite confusing 8 clubs I think would null & void the the top division is that what it would take on that option?

 

[Stuart W]

So

based on that, if my understanding is correct if option 1 is not passed and they use option 4, I.e all clubs voting not split between tier 1 (NL) tier 2 (NLN/S) and on the basis 8 votes are provided by NLN/S ie majority in these leagues vote to null and void it would still need another 8 clubs in NL to vote same way for it to be null and void, which I think is very unlikely as Wrexham have said they will abstain from voting. But I’m more interested to understand what happens if the clubs that vote to null and void don’t want to play or more importantly can’t afford to pay, can they be forced to take the loan? If not then what happens if they choose to band together and refuse to play.

Has it really come to this?
It isn't far removed from various parties fighting over a contested will.

 

[rowe23]

it’s quite confusing 8 clubs I think would null & void the the top division is that what it would take on that option?

I believe so, but only if majority of NLN/S vote to null and void season, but this is on the basis of Res 4. If they vote to split decision I.E. Res 1 passed then it will be based on a 1 vote per club but this would only then apply to each division, so would need at least 11 clubs in NL to vote to void season for it to impact on League 2 relegation.

 

[rowe23]

Has it really come to this?
It isn't far removed from various parties fighting over a contested will.

Has it really come to what? Sorry not sure I follow what your suggesting/trying to say? I’m just trying to explain how it could work and ramifications of possible outcomes.

 

[Stuart W]

Has it really come to what? Sorry not sure I follow what your suggesting/trying to say? I’m just trying to explain how it could work and ramifications of possible outcomes.

I just think it's pathetic generally hoping that on some technicality we might be able to extend the agony for yet another season.

 

[Petejames]

I believe so, but only if majority of NLN/S vote to null and void season, but this is on the basis of Res 4. If they vote to split decision I.E. Res 1 passed then it will be based on a 1 vote per club but this would only then apply to each division, so would need at least 11 clubs in NL to vote to void season for it to impact on League 2 relegation.

Say 10 clubs refused to play on tho no income can’t pay wages etc but could furlong all staff that makes so much more sense to clubs that will not except a dept

 

[rowe23]

I just think it's pathetic generally hoping that on some technicality we might be able to extend the agony for yet another season.

Not sure where you have got the impression that I’m hoping we stay up on a technicality? I didn’t realise I wasn’t able to try and explain how the voting will work and the impact of possible voting ways. So I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick.

 

[Petejames]

Not sure where you have got the impression that I’m hoping we stay up on a technicality? I didn’t realise I wasn’t able to try and explain how the voting will work and the impact of possible voting ways. So I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick.

You done good mate explained it well ??

 

[Stuart W]

I'm not aiming my comment at you personally rowe23 (perhaps I shouldn't have directly responded to your comment).
I just think, and am perfectly entitled to my thoughts, that this particular thread just shows how desperate we have become.
Personally in the same way as I felt we deserved to be champions in 1981 and 2006 and on both occasions got our just desserts, we deserve our fate this year (or at least battle for survival on the pitch, where if we finish 22nd then great), but not hope that either the National League is declared null and void, or even worse, hope that 1 or 2 other league 2 sides fold during the season.

That, my friend, is the point I was making.

 

[rowe23]

I agree, we shouldn’t be pinning our hopes on the fate of other clubs, not only the impact on football pyramid and sporting integrity this will have, but all those employed by the club that could have a devastating impact on their livelihoods. I personally think NSN/S will null and void, but I think NL will continue by taking the loans. We should just focus on our survival and performance on the pitch look after ourselves and what ever happens in NL happens, we have n impact on the outcome of that vote. But I can understand peoples interest in what is happening and the possible impact this may have on League 2 relegation, so for that I do think we should try and explain the possible outcomes so for those that want to understand the process have the Information in laymen terms to assist in that understanding.

 

[Shrimpet steve]

TBF its the only thing that is going to save us

Wrong! We can still stay up by defending and scoring some goals lol