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[mattytheshrimper]

also find it laughable that people have been won over by ron, even after his lies and nearly ending the club for good. some people eh. ron must be thinking 'god that was easy'.

 

[turkishm]

As i understand it the money if its been payed, has gone through the bac system as when selling a house. So if it didnt clear friday afternoon, friday being a busy day, it wont be received till monday morning, and the club holding of making an announcement till it has. I know this has been mentioned before, but trying to get my head around reasons why no comformation from the club

 

[Hotman]

cheques in the post mr taxman, honest.

 

[canveyshrimper]

cheques in the post mr taxman, honest.

One of the three great lies. ;)

 

[David Icke]

What shocks me, is some of you are willing to accept Ron as a hero - yet he is the reason the club got to this state. .

Ron bought SUFC 1, as a rusty old banger that was almost beyond repair. Dont you get it? He's had to nurse this old banger along over the years, - new clutch here, fix up the rust there, recondition the engine, etc, - keep it limping along, so he can trade it in for a nice shiny new one, Fossetts. Simples.

 

[JD]

As i understand it the money if its been payed, has gone through the bac system as when selling a house. So if it didnt clear friday afternoon, friday being a busy day, it wont be received till monday morning, and the club holding of making an announcement till it has. I know this has been mentioned before, but trying to get my head around reasons why no comformation from the club

Trust me when i say £2.1m will have been processed by the clubs bankers as top priority - CHAPS, guaranteed same day payment would have been used.

 

[callan]

Ron bought SUFC 1, as a rusty old banger that was almost beyond repair. Dont you get it? He's had to nurse this old banger along over the years, - new clutch here, fix up the rust there, recondition the engine, etc, - keep it limping along, so he can trade it in for a nice shiny new one, Fossetts. Simples.

A superb analogy, however you forgot to mention he didnt bother to mend the brakes or fill the car with petrol....by all accounts he can barely afford any repairs and sometimes the mechanics are paid late...but dont worry he wont tell any of his passangers about this.

 

[turkishm]

Trust me when i say £2.1m will have been processed by the clubs bankers as top priority - CHAPS, guaranteed same day payment would have been used.

Ok then, well thats that reason no anoucement out of the window. Prehaps just before the Gills game then, but knowing Rons brinkmanship of late, just before they take there seats in court on monday.

 

[A Century United]

Pointless thread of the year??

What shocks me, is some of you are willing to accept Ron as a hero - yet he is the reason the club got to this state. .

As I have stated in other threads, J - this club is actually in a far better state than when Ron took over, the evidence is there, are you going to debate it, or are you just going to sit, snipe, and sulk because it looks as if your "I told you so" was a tad premature?

Have to agree with you there J. I know there are always going to be some differences of opinion on here but for the first time I've started to question whether certain sections of the support are actually dangerous for our future in their willingness to just accept what they're told

Some open questions to a number of people on here.....

1: Are you really of the opinion that there was never any financial problem at the club with no danger at all of us ending up in administration this week?

2: Forget about whether Ron is right or not to withhold information at certain times (as I accept the argument that he can't tell us everything) but do you really believe that what he has told us has been completely honest and truthful?

1: No of course not. This was clearly a serious situation, and I don't recall a single post that said that there wasn't a problem. The question was, RM had said that the money would be paid, would he manage it? Many were convinced he wouldn't, most suspended judgement, and some felt that he would but I don't think anyone thought that this was anything but a crisis. The real divide, it seems to me, are between those who felt that they could understand why this was happening and those who felt that it should have been avoided. Without priveleged access to RM's thinking and the accounts, that's going to run and run.

2: No. And some of what he has said hasn't happened, and he hasn't been as up front about somethings as the fans would like, but he has been more communicative than any previous chairman, and more so than most League Chairmen would be. A better question would be, do I believe that he has deliberately set out to decieve the fans, presumably for his own gain? And the answer to that has to be No.

You say that

...but for the first time I've started to question whether certain sections of the support are actually dangerous for our future in their willingness to just accept what they're told

I would turn that around. While a degree of healthy scepticism is welcome and indeed vital, it seems to me that Ron is (and for the forseeble future will be) the only show in town. Staying at Roots Hall means stagnation at best, extinction at worst. Ron has deliverd on all the big things so far including getting planning permission and now avoiding Aministration, and by any objective assesment the club is better off than it was when he took over. My feeling is the biggest danger is that small group of vociferous fans who seem determined to ignore anything positive that RM has achieved and to criticise him mercilessly - as others have said, to the extent that it seems that they would have welcomed Administration if it meant the end of Ron. He is teetering across a tightrope, carrying our club and until he gets to the other side chucking rocks at him isn't really going to help.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Pointless thread of the year??

What shocks me, is some of you are willing to accept Ron as a hero - yet he is the reason the club got to this state. .

Without RM taking over in the 1st place, there would be no Southend United now!

 

[grassroots]

Ron bought SUFC 1, as a rusty old banger that was almost beyond repair. Dont you get it? He's had to nurse this old banger along over the years, - new clutch here, fix up the rust there, recondition the engine, etc, - keep it limping along, so he can trade it in for a nice shiny new one, Fossetts. Simples.

Got it in one DI, comparing RM to a second hand car dealer - charming, but slippery, very, very slippery!

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

Without RM taking over in the 1st place, there would be no Southend United now!

Not true at all,there were others parties wanting to take it off vic but vic choose ron.

 

[Ron Manager]

As I have stated in other threads, J - this club is actually in a far better state than when Ron took over, the evidence is there, are you going to debate it, or are you just going to sit, snipe, and sulk because it looks as if your "I told you so" was a tad premature?



1: No of course not. This was clearly a serious situation, and I don't recall a single post that said that there wasn't a problem. The question was, RM had said that the money would be paid, would he manage it? Many were convinced he wouldn't, most suspended judgement, and some felt that he would but I don't think anyone thought that this was anything but a crisis. The real divide, it seems to me, are between those who felt that they could understand why this was happening and those who felt that it should have been avoided. Without priveleged access to RM's thinking and the accounts, that's going to run and run.

2: No. And some of what he has said hasn't happened, and he hasn't been as up front about somethings as the fans would like, but he has been more communicative than any previous chairman, and more so than most League Chairmen would be. A better question would be, do I believe that he has deliberately set out to decieve the fans, presumably for his own gain? And the answer to that has to be No.

You say that



I would turn that around. While a degree of healthy scepticism is welcome and indeed vital, it seems to me that Ron is (and for the forseeble future will be) the only show in town. Staying at Roots Hall means stagnation at best, extinction at worst. Ron has deliverd on all the big things so far including getting planning permission and now avoiding Aministration, and by any objective assesment the club is better off than it was when he took over. My feeling is the biggest danger is that small group of vociferous fans who seem determined to ignore anything positive that RM has achieved and to criticise him mercilessly - as others have said, to the extent that it seems that they would have welcomed Administration if it meant the end of Ron. He is teetering across a tightrope, carrying our club and until he gets to the other side chucking rocks at him isn't really going to help.

Fair points well made. Don't know if I agree with everything you say but you make your points well and with sense and clarity.

I suppose the truth is time will judge Ron's involvement with our club. Let's hope it judges it well for all our sakes.

 

[fredheim_holm]

I think it is funny. Some people had the faith this would work out and they didnt spend the entire week worrying about something that hadnt happened. If I was chairman and read some of the comments on here last week I would wonder why I was making all the effort. Its only that there also about half the other people who spoke some sense.
In business there are things that people in certain positions dont need to know. They might be friends, but you protect them from the stuff that goes on at the top, just as the people of this country probably dont know half the stuff the government know. Thats life. Like it or not. If the world was a true democracy it would be a dead planet by now. Like it or not. Too many people thinking with half-empty heads.

Whether we have an injury ravaged squad or not, we are alive and kicking and are 4 points off the playoffs and that will do for me. Up the Blues

Very true Magnum, great post.

 

[The Big Shrimp]

Not true at all,there were others parties wanting to take it off vic but vic choose ron.

Probably saw him as a chip the old block! He saw a lot of himself in RM, perhaps!!

 

[grassroots]

Very true Magnum, great post.

Does that include keeping shareholders in the dark?

 

[Mick]

If I was chairman and read some of the comments on here last week I would wonder why I was making all the effort.

The Chairman knows exactly why he is "making the effort" and if you'd like to think it's for the benefit of the supporters, that's up to you.

 

[Mick]

Ron bought SUFC 1, as a rusty old banger that was almost beyond repair. Dont you get it? He's had to nurse this old banger along over the years, - new clutch here, fix up the rust there, recondition the engine, etc, - keep it limping along, so he can trade it in for a nice shiny new one, Fossetts. Simples.

A few bits have fallen off lately; wonder if it will get through its next couple of MOTs whilst the order comes through for the new limo.

Oh ... and how does that scrappage scheme work ?

 

[A Century United]

The Chairman knows exactly why he is "making the effort" and if you'd like to think it's for the benefit of the supporters, that's up to you.

And likewise if you wish to believe that it is entirely to line his own pockets without any thought or concern for the Club or the fans that is up to you. But I would argue that there is some evidence otherwise.

 

[Mick]

And likewise if you wish to believe that it is entirely to line his own pockets without any thought or concern for the Club or the fans that is up to you. But I would argue that there is some evidence otherwise.

And I would not disagree with you. There IS evidence of care and concern for club and supporters. Whether this is genuine or part of the master plan, time will tell and I have a slightly open mind on this issue. What remains is his core motivation and that alone is enough to keep him going through the tough and perhaps unappreciated times.