Liam Out - Freddy In ?

[Clinton Baptiste]

After watching last nights game, I think Messi needs a new challenge. Champions league is too easy for him, how about Accrington at home, could he do the biz?

 

[CranleighBlue]

KEEP Billel - and on no account let him go to CRAWLEY !!

 

[Jam_Man]

KEEP Billel - and on no account let him go to CRAWLEY !!

Just let him keep behaving as he has then ?

 

[O's fan]

very disruptive in the dressing room 5 or 6 years ago my sources tell me .............................!

Interesting one, he could be great for Swindon if they give him lots of chances, personally I think he do for Swindon what Asprilla did for Newcastle.

 

[Rattus Norvegicus]

KEEP Billel - and on no account let him go to CRAWLEY !!

I fully agree. Questions are asked about his behaviour and attitude but there are other options rather than just "getting rid" that could be much more beneficial to the club.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I fully agree. Questions are asked about his behaviour and attitude but there are other options rather than just "getting rid" that could be much more beneficial to the club.

Which are?

 

[Kevin Hogg]

Sadly, it appears that Freddy is no longer hungry for goals..just burgers these days. A great shame.

We may as well take Torres on loan as Freddy.

 

[Blue_Wes]

League 2 always has been scrappy. I can't be bothered to bring out the stats of how many massive blokes we've had upfront.

It's a matter of opinion I suppose and to me the difference between our style of play for the 14 years I've been watching out of my 21 years that I've been alive, our style of play has always been fairly basic.

We had some complete magicians in Tilson's teams but we still played direct at times. It's always been scrappy. We had brilliant players. I'm not denying that. Maybe in League 1 and Championship we played some nice football. But look where that got us for a few of the bad seasons.

But it did get us promotion.

League 2 with Tilson was as scrappy as it is now. But there are actually better players in it throughout the teams, just the way football has filtered down players throughout the divisions due to fitter players and more better players.

Tilson's inability to mix things up tactically etc got us relegated aswell as Ron. But yeah boringgggggggggg.

It's also only an opinion I've only seen you air since Cluniemore came on here and tried to defend his style of play - saying Tilson's was similar. (Granted you've always had the opinion that Tilson got lucky with his achievements).

I also think you're in the very small minority with 'your' opinion. The style of football was completely different with Maher, Gower, Gutteridge, then Bailey & Mccormack, even Pettefer early on, not to mention Eastwood, we always played the ball on the deck with Tilson.

If the styles were so similar why is there such a large amount of discontent coming from large swathes of the fans now about the style of play, it never happened under Tilson.

Either way, I doubt we'll see Freddy at Roots hall again, unless it's for another team - which is a shame. Plus as another poster said, even the fit and hungry Freddy would struggle to flourish in this side using the tactics we currently employ.

 

[Jam_Man]

League 2 always has been scrappy. I can't be bothered to bring out the stats of how many massive blokes we've had upfront.

It's a matter of opinion I suppose and to me the difference between our style of play for the 14 years I've been watching out of my 21 years that I've been alive, our style of play has always been fairly basic.

We had some complete magicians in Tilson's teams but we still played direct at times. It's always been scrappy. We had brilliant players. I'm not denying that. Maybe in League 1 and Championship we played some nice football. But look where that got us for a few of the bad seasons.

But it did get us promotion.

League 2 with Tilson was as scrappy as it is now. But there are actually better players in it throughout the teams, just the way football has filtered down players throughout the divisions due to fitter players and more better players.

Tilson's inability to mix things up tactically etc got us relegated aswell as Ron. But yeah boringgggggggggg.

Tilson never had a big target man from when we started to get some success, he tried to get one by getting Harrold/Revell/Paynter but never found one to offer us something different as he recognised at times we actually needed to be able to be MORE direct than how we played.

Goater didnt play in League 2 and we definitely didnt play direct or long ball with him in the side.Id like to see a game Sturrock has managed that managed to reach anything like the games against Brentford and Yeovil that season.

We used to have Eastwood, Gray, Dudfield in League two,none of which were there to win high balls

League Two is definitely scrappy and not as good as higher leagues but under Tilly we always tried to play the best football that we could. It was a big thing at the time that we were up against Lincoln who did specialise in long ball with those two massive strikers they had.

Thats in stark contrast to now when there is a game plan to actually play very direct football and not try to play passing football.

I actually think Sturrock is doing a good job here, as my only wish is to get out of this division but theres no way on earth the football is anything like as entertaining as it was under Tilson.

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

It's also only an opinion I've only seen you air since Cluniemore came on here and tried to defend his style of play - saying Tilson's was similar. (Granted you've always had the opinion that Tilson got lucky with his achievements).

I also think you're in the very small minority with 'your' opinion. The style of football was completely different with Maher, Gower, Gutteridge, then Bailey & Mccormack, even Pettefer early on, not to mention Eastwood, we always played the ball on the deck with Tilson.

If the styles were so similar why is there such a large amount of discontent coming from large swathes of the fans now about the style of play, it never happened under Tilson.

Either way, I doubt we'll see Freddy at Roots hall again, unless it's for another team - which is a shame. Plus as another poster said, even the fit and hungry Freddy would struggle to flourish in this side using the tactics we currently employ.

If you fancy yourself as an Onion Bag Dave aficionado I feel highly privileged haha.
There is more than one way to play football. I don't think Tilson was lucky, I think the group of players were special and he managed them, I don't see that as lucky. The style of play was not that different. League 2 has always been scrappy. Even with Tilson in charge. I think you misunderstand. LEAGUE 2 which I am referring to as Sturrock has only managed us in this league. I am comparing this season with the last time we were promoted from League 2. It was always scrappy. Every game was a battle. We absolutely annihilated teams (Steve Evans take note that's annihilation you **** anyway back on track) with Tilson in charge. It was a special time in the clubs history. That's why I'm confused. Some people seem to think it's the norm that we have played beautiful football throughout our history. We haven't.

Tilson never had a big target man from when we started to get some success, he tried to get one by getting Harrold/Revell/Paynter but never found one to offer us something different as he recognised at times we actually needed to be able to be MORE direct than how we played

I'm not just referring to Tilson's reign. I'm referring to our history, which people should remember.

Do some people think League 2 has changed and now is really bad? It's probably got better players in it than it ever has before.

You probably get more time on the ball in League 1 than you do in League 2. Every level of the game is almost completely different. It's like watching a completely different sport at times!

 

[Jam_Man]

I'm not just referring to Tilson's reign. I'm referring to our history, which people should remember.

Do some people think League 2 has changed and now is really bad? It's probably got better players in it than it ever has before.

You probably get more time on the ball in League 1 than you do in League 2. Every level of the game is almost completely different. It's like watching a completely different sport at times!

Make your mind up :

Our style of play has not changed dramatically at all since Tilson!

It's a myth!

Smack it up to Goater play it out to the wings, go from there, but I'm not getting into that boring conversation again!

Also Eastwood isn't even necessarily needed or wanted or wants to come here or does be even want to play anymore?

Certainly we have seen plenty of bad football over the years, but the Tilson reign, and even the Webb days when Tilson played we have played decent football.

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

Make your mind up :

Aye? What do you mean?

 

[Jam_Man]

Aye? What do you mean?

I responded to your comment that our style hasnt changed since tilly and demonstrated it had.

You replied to say you wasnt talking about tilly, when your post was clearly about Tilly....

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

I responded to your comment that our style hasnt changed since tilly and demonstrated it had.

You replied to say you wasnt talking about tilly, when your post was clearly about Tilly....

I'm not just referring to Tilson's reign. I meant that to mean that I wasn't ONLY referring to Tilson I was also referring to our History AS WELL as referring to Tilson.

 

[Jam_Man]

I'm not just referring to Tilson's reign. I meant that to mean that I wasn't ONLY referring to Tilson I was also referring to our History AS WELL as referring to Tilson.

We can only respond to what you actually say and your post said the style hasnt changed since Tilson (and you even give Goater as an example) , which it has.

If you said there have been times in the past we have played poor style of football then yes thats true, but we didnt when Tilson was here.

If you honestly believe Tilsons teams played in this style then I'm stunned to be honest.

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

We can only respond to what you actually say and your post said the style hasnt changed since Tilson (and you even give Goater as an example) , which it has.

If you said there have been times in the past we have played poor style of football then yes thats true, but we didnt when Tilson was here.

If you honestly believe Tilsons teams played in this style then I'm stunned to be honest.

I don't think we do play in a poor style.

I 'actually' posted and wrote the following things;
Has not changed dramatically - suggesting that it has changed slightly.
I'm not just referring to Tilson's reign - suggesting I am referring to Tilson's reign a long with other managers.

Let me list a few of Tilson's strikers;
Alex Revell
Billy Paynter
Matt Harold
Drewe Broughton
Leon Constantine
Leon Clarke
Michael Ricketts

That's just a few can't think of more. Most with over 40 appearances for us. All massive blokes. Suggesting we did play long ball. I honestly believe that we did play similarly to what we do now, HOWEVER we did play more football a long our back line and nice little pretty side ways passes. (As we do occasionally now).

But there you go, nobody will agree with me, don't really care to be honest.

It's all in the past, if you constantly compare to those seasons then you are probably going to be disappointed for the rest of your life because Tilson AINT coming back.

 

[Jam_Man]

I don't think we do play in a poor style.

I 'actually' posted and wrote the following things;
Has not changed dramatically - suggesting that it has changed slightly.
I'm not just referring to Tilson's reign - suggesting I am referring to Tilson's reign a long with other managers.

Let me list a few of Tilson's strikers;
Alex Revell
Billy Paynter
Matt Harold
Drewe Broughton
Leon Constantine
Leon Clarke
Michael Ricketts

That's just a few can't think of more. Most with over 40 appearances for us. All massive blokes. Suggesting we did play long ball. I honestly believe that we did play similarly to what we do now, HOWEVER we did play more football a long our back line and nice little pretty side ways passes. (As we do occasionally now).

But there you go, nobody will agree with me, don't really care to be honest.

It's all in the past, if you constantly compare to those seasons then you are probably going to be disappointed for the rest of your life because Tilson AINT coming back.

so a list of some players who were big is proof we were playing long ball ? Even though 6 out of those 7 players failed, and two of them werent Tilson players and left before success, and three of them played less than 10 games between them ? hmm, not great evidence to be fair.

Most with over 40 appearances ? Harrold and Revell started about 25 games. Payner Clarke and Ricketts played about 10 between them,. Broughton and Contantine werent his players and left before we got promoted.

You make it sound like they were integral to the team, when all but Constantine didnt make it here.

None of the players you list demonstrated that we were playing direct football when we got promoted from league two or league one as they werent even here.

All that list demonstrates is that Tilson was looking for a big player as we didnt have anyone who could play in that role so when he wanted to be able to play more direct he couldnt.

Who were our most succesful strikers ? Barnard and Eastwood. Both average sized...

Tilson may not be coming back, but then he isnt managing any team in the league and I didnt see Swindon or Crawley using the same direct tactics we do.

You are very defensive about this, I have said all along that Im pleased with what Sturrock has done and dont care what style we play to get out of this league but if we do go up and we still play like this then Ill be gutted and your league Two is scrappy argument wont be valid then...

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

so a list of some players who were big is proof we were playing long ball ? Even though 6 out of those 7 players failed, and two of them werent Tilson players and left before success, and three of them played less than 10 games between them ? hmm, not great evidence to be fair.

Most with over 40 appearances ? Harrold and Revell started about 25 games. Payner Clarke and Ricketts played about 10 between them,. Broughton and Contantine werent his players and left before we got promoted.

You make it sound like they were integral to the team, when all but Constantine didnt make it here.

None of the players you list demonstrated that we were playing direct football when we got promoted from league two or league one as they werent even here.

All that list demonstrates is that Tilson was looking for a big player as we didnt have anyone who could play in that role so when he wanted to be able to play more direct he couldnt.

Who were our most succesful strikers ? Barnard and Eastwood. Both average sized...

There is no point expressing my opinion, but your stats are wrong. But don't worry about it. Wasting my time here. But that's cool!

 

[Jam_Man]

There is no point expressing my opinion, but your stats are wrong. But don't worry about it. Wasting my time here. But that's cool!

Which stat is wrong ?

 

[Onion_Bag_Dave]

Which stat is wrong ?

Billy Paynter - 9 apps
Matt Harold - 52 apps
Alex Revell - 34 apps
Leon Constantine - 43
Leon Clarke - 16

I forgot who else I said, but I'm a bit tired of it now because it's difficult to express my opinion when you do not agree or see where I am coming from with a single point I make. It's always black and white for everybody on here.