Lets get him out!!!

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

What club are we talking about then because the shambles I see today bears no relation to the club i've supported for over 34 years, did you read any of my post ?

I've been through the Johnson and Jobson years, seen the protests, the fraud, the whole lot, but this time it's different because this **** is lower than a snakes armpit, I must give him some credit he's almost pulled off a legal mugging of the club and it's assets, but not if people stand up to him. I really wish we had gone into admin, a points deduction would have been well worth it to rid us of the cancer that is RM.

of course I read your post. I did not agree with it. And what's supporting the club for 34 years got to do with it. I've supported it for 50 and for most of that time we've been bloody awful. But its my club abd there you go. I've asked the question many times before but i will ask it again. Why have our successful years been under 2 chairmen that most supporters thought were c * * ts. I don't have the answer by the way.

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

But going into admin wouldn't have guaranteed that, I'll offer you Ken Bates at Leeds as an example.

Yes very true not guaranteed but it would have given us some protection. Do you not think the administrator would have unearthed enough evidence to prevent RM regaining control ? I think once the truth is out surrounding the web of companies people will be horrified and rather ashamed they didn't stand up and be counted.

 

[Stats]

if I see him out and about Im going to smash him I think that clears up your question

And there was me thinking Neanderthal's were extinct.

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

of course I read your post. I did not agree with it. And what's supporting the club for 34 years got to do with it. I've supported it for 50 and for most of that time we've been bloody awful. But its my club abd there you go. I've asked the question many times before but i will ask it again. Why have our successful years been under 2 chairmen that most supporters thought were c * * ts. I don't have the answer by the way.

Well I understand your point about the co-incidence of success under two female sexual organs LOL

To be fair though Jobson had many faults but I think his rather abrasive personality and at times abusive communication skills were what rubbed people up the wrong way, the big difference for me between the two is he did actually care about the club and had a passion for SUFC.

 

[Medway Blue]

You can of course do what you want. It's a free country. How it helps the club is quite beyond me. BTW no one has mentioned in any of the hagiographies of Steve Tilson that one of the reasons he was the 5th ? longest serving manager was that RM did not sack him when we went down the first time which I think 95% of chairman would have.

He didn't deserve to get sacked though. No-one would have kept us up that season. I have been told by the man who was tasked with spending it that the club's playing budget for that season was the lowest in the CCC at £2.7m, a whole £1.3m lower than the CCC's next smallest playing budget for the 06/07 which was Col U's at £4m. That playing budget was simply too low, and too far behind the budgets of those teams who were around us, to compete at that level. That is one area where I will agree with RM's actions - if we're in this trouble now having had a budget of £2.7m during one season in the CCC, I dread to think where we'd be if we had matched Col U's. Still though, the fact remains that we would never have stayed up that season because there just wasn't the money available to compete at that level.

 

[southendkid]

Quick question: How much was Tilson being paid? Just wondering if that partly contributed to him getting sacked

 

[canveyshrimper]

Yes very true not guaranteed but it would have given us some protection. Do you not think the administrator would have unearthed enough evidence to prevent RM regaining control ? I think once the truth is out surrounding the web of companies people will be horrified and rather ashamed they didn't stand up and be counted.

Possibly, but again using Ken Bates as an example possibly not. I can't recall the exact sum but Leeds took HMRC for a huge amount which is one of the main reasons why HMRC pursue all football clubs with such determination. And I'd imagine that Bates may well have a few dodgy financial skeletons in his cupboard.

 

[Norfolkshrimp]

Possibly, but again using Ken Bates as an example possibly not. I can't recall the exact sum but Leeds took HMRC for a huge amount which is one of the main reasons why HMRC pursue all football clubs with such determination. And I'd imagine that Bates may well have a few dodgy financial skeletons in his cupboard.

Yes again I agree but I would love to know the details about exactly how RH was obtained by RM and how the web of companies fits together, very easy to hide the truth when effectively one person controls the show but an administrator would unearth the details in my opinion.

 

[davewebbsbrain]

if I see him out and about Im going to smash him I think that clears up your question

I would lay odds that you don't. I'd love to be there if you and Ron came face to face just to see what actually happened. I'd be impressed if you actually did 'smash' him, as you put it. I'd also like to be in court to see you sent down. There is no place in football for violence, we can't be going back to the dark days. Oh, you can also threaten to 'smash' me all you like, it doesn't bother me at all.

 

[Beefy]

He didn't deserve to get sacked though. No-one would have kept us up that season. I have been told by the man who was tasked with spending it that the club's playing budget for that season in the CCC was £2.7m, a whole £1.3m lower than the CCC's next biggest playing budget for the 06/07 which was Col U's at £4m. That playing budget was simply too low, and too far behind the budgets of those teams who were around us, to compete at that level. That is one area where I will agree with RM's actions - if we're in this trouble now having had a budget of £2.7m during one season in the CCC, I dread to think where we'd be if we had matched Col U's. Still though, the fact remains that we would never have stayed up that season because there just wasn't the money available to compete at that level.

The fact remains that plenty of chairmen would have sacked him.

 

[fbm]

We agree on something!! 2500 fans not going anymore says it all that must really be hitting RM in the pocket I wnet on saturday and I walked around at half time and I didnt honestly know (as proper friends) anyone not one of the usaul suspects were there unbelievable.

ooh I have just realised you were trying to be your uselss patronising self!!! well im sure in the next couple of weeks youll be able to defend ron to the hilt once more ad the word is the sainsburys money is all but totally spent as ron used it to pay a debt/finance one of his other companies!!

Andy, being totally serious now, do you really think Ron Martin gives a stuff that the gates are lower this year?

None of this matters to him.

And I'm not pro Ron. I just don't think we have a choice. I want to go and cheer my team on, not get caught up in futile, yes futile protests and having internet arguments with all and sundry.

There are always two sides to every story though and we don't properly know either of them. We may think we know, but we don't know we know. You probably have closer contacts to the club than many, certainly than me and I know you have had "information" in the past that has proved to be genuine. But people have their own agendas and I have long learned to believe none of what I hear and only half of what I see. That's just my view, which I'm going to stick to. There isn't a thing any of us can do anyway. There may well be a time for action but it isn't now.

And I'm sorry if you feel patronised by that.

 

[GBJ]

Andy, being totally serious now, do you really think Ron Martin gives a stuff that the gates are lower this year?

None of this matters to him.

And I'm not pro Ron. I just don't think we have a choice. I want to go and cheer my team on, not get caught up in futile, yes futile protests and having internet arguments with all and sundry.

There are always two sides to every story though and we don't properly know either of them. We may think we know, but we don't know we know. You probably have closer contacts to the club than many, certainly than me and I know you have had "information" in the past that has proved to be genuine. But people have their own agendas and I have long learned to believe none of what I hear and only half of what I see. That's just my view, which I'm going to stick to. There isn't a thing any of us can do anyway. There may well be a time for action but it isn't now.

And I'm sorry if you feel patronised by that.

This is directed to everyone who's said this over the last few days, not just you FBM,

If you was bent over, tied and gagged (Pulp Fiction style), would you fight and struggle with everything you've got, or would you just get pounded?

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

I want to go and cheer my team on, not get caught up in futile, yes futile protests and having internet arguments with all and sundry.

But do you honestly still feel as if they're YOUR* team?
I certainly don't for a whole variety of reasons*, some of them due to the actions of Our Glorious Leader, some not.

* - one of which was the infamous "it's my club, I can do what the hell I like with it" comment on the morning of Sturrock's appointment.

If you was bent over, tied and gagged (Pulp Fiction style), would you fight and struggle with everything you've got, or would you just get pounded?

At least buy him a drambuie & coke first :blush:

 

[Smiffy]

This is directed to everyone who's said this over the last few days, not just you FBM,

If you was bent over, tied and gagged (Pulp Fiction style), would you fight and struggle with everything you've got, or would you just get pounded?

 

[EastStandBlue]

This is directed to everyone who's said this over the last few days, not just you FBM,

If you was bent over, tied and gagged (Pulp Fiction style), would you fight and struggle with everything you've got, or would you just get pounded?

It depends, is the alternative death?

 

[Beefy]

This is directed to everyone who's said this over the last few days, not just you FBM,

If you was bent over, tied and gagged (Pulp Fiction style), would you fight and struggle with everything you've got, or would you just get pounded?

Had Marsellus and Butch not decided to deal with their problems with anger and aggression then neither would have got themselves into that mess.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

But do you honestly still feel as if they're YOUR* team?
I certainly don't for a whole variety of reasons*, some of them due to the actions of Our Glorious Leader, some not.

* - one of which was the infamous "it's my club, I can do what the hell I like with it" comment on the morning of Sturrock's appointment.

What a load of tripe. Of course it's our team. Whatever you think of RM, Sturrock and the team deserve our maximum support. I'm getting pretty fed up with the hatred of Ron getting in the way of our support for the team. They are quire different.

 

[GBJ]

It depends, is the alternative death?

There's no alternatives. Just plainly simple, you're bent over about to be buggered, do you fight with everything you've got, or simply accept what's coming?

Had Marsellus and Butch not decided to deal with their problems with anger and aggression then neither would have got themselves into that mess.

Yes, very philosophical Beefy. However it doesn't answer the question does it?

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

What a load of tripe. Of course it's our team. Whatever you think of RM, Sturrock and the team deserve our maximum support. I'm getting pretty fed up with the hatred of Ron getting in the way of our support for the team. They are quire different.

It's MY current opinion, therefore to me it's NOT tripe. As I said at the Stockport game, it was like watching 2 away teams.

This is the other problem with the current situation, it's causing all these different factions to splinter and bicker. There is a distinct lack of respect for other people's opinions around here just now, and seemingly if you don't conform to the expected norm then you're derided for it.

Oh & sorry, but I still (as I've had from Day Minus One) have got major reservations about our so-called excellent manager. To me he's connected with all the current problems at the top and is also therefore tainted. Again, purely MY OPINION, but something I nevertheless believe to be the case.

 

[mike101]

I don't believe that we will either. I've never thought that the stadium would happen. But I don't see where we go without Ron Martin either, as he owns everything. Right now I think we've got a slim chance of survival with Ron Martin and practically none without him so I reluctantly would prefer to stick.

The Liverpool situation was different because RBS essentially owned the lot and because Liverpool were ticking along ok until the Americans got involved. We're not Liverpool.

The situation is actually quite similar to Liverpool's. Sainsbury's loan is backed by Ron's SUFC shares; so if he defaults then they will own the club. so if you want him out, stop spending cash with the club and he will soon be gone!