Lets get him out!!!

[Lester Bangs]

Yeah, there was one done for Hicks and Gillett, and it was painfully embarassing and much derided by sections of the press.

It also added a lot of momentum to their cause. I couldnt care less about derision so long as our club is secure.

 

[superblue24]

Yeah, there was one done for Hicks and Gillett, and it was painfully embarassing and much derided by sections of the press.

Agreed, it was poor......I was suggesting a different angle using the same conduit.

If you're just going to pour scourn over everything that doesn't involve sitting on your a**e waiting for our club slide into the sea, are your comments worth it?

 

[fbm]

a) not true. The consortium have stated they are willing to take the club from Ron but he will not sell.

I don't think you'll find that's the case now that there is next to no profit left in the property deal.

 

[EastStandBlue]

Agreed, it was poor......I was suggesting a different angle using the same conduit.

If you're just going to pour scourn over everything that doesn't involve sitting on your a**e waiting for our club slide into the sea, are your comments worth it?

I'll pour scorn over ideas I think are poor, and I'll stay sat on my arse until someone comes up with an actual, viable solution other than RM.

 

[superblue24]

I'll pour scorn over ideas I think are poor, and I'll stay sat on my arse until someone comes up with an actual, viable solution other than RM.

Then you will be watching the club die. At least when we're finished you can say that you did nothing to try and prevent it.

 

[fbm]

Then you will be watching the club die. At least when we're finished you can say that you did nothing to try and prevent it.

Have you ever considered that everyone trying to save the club by the method of protests, demonstrations, anti Ron chants etc may actually be making things worse?

You can't get Ron out - he has to go of his own volition so stop wasting your energy.

I'd be more impressed if you toured the States or Middle East looking for seriously rich benefactors who don't mind losing a million or 10 trying to keep us afloat after Ron has gone.

So, as ESB has said - when there's a viable alternative, then and only then will be the time for action.

If someone needs a heart transplant, you have to wait for a new one before you can take the old one out.

 

[nevereatwhitesnow]

Have you ever considered that everyone trying to save the club by the method of protests, demonstrations, anti Ron chants etc may actually be making things worse?

You can't get Ron out - he has to go of his own volition so stop wasting your energy.

I'd be more impressed if you toured the States or Middle East looking for seriously rich benefactors who don't mind losing a million or 10 trying to keep us afloat after Ron has gone.

So, as ESB has said - when there's a viable alternative, then and only then will be the time for action.

If someone needs a heart transplant, you have to wait for a new one before you can take the old one out.

But if you have a cancer eating you up you remove it first then think about cure/recovery plans afterwards....

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Have you ever considered that everyone trying to save the club by the method of protests, demonstrations, anti Ron chants etc may actually be making things worse?

You can't get Ron out - he has to go of his own volition so stop wasting your energy.

I'd be more impressed if you toured the States or Middle East looking for seriously rich benefactors who don't mind losing a million or 10 trying to keep us afloat after Ron has gone.

So, as ESB has said - when there's a viable alternative, then and only then will be the time for action.

If someone needs a heart transplant, you have to wait for a new one before you can take the old one out.

But surely there will be more interest in the club when Ron makes common knowledge that he is open to offers. We will not get anymore offers while Ron refuses to sell.

I have no problem with you not taking any action thats entirely your choice which i respect but wasnt this thread intended for people who were interested in doing something?

 

[Interpol Shrimper]

But if you have a cancer eating you up you remove it first then think about cure/recovery plans afterwards....

Not the first time I've seen RM's chairmanship described as being like a cancer.
Things are becoming even more terminal each day it would appear...

 

[Lester Bangs]

But if you have a cancer eating you up you remove it first then think about cure/recovery plans afterwards....

Excellent analogy. Spot on!

 

[fbm]

But if you have a cancer eating you up you remove it first then think about cure/recovery plans afterwards....

But a cancer doesn't keep the body going and pump the blood to where it's needed, no matter how thinly or infrequently...

Look, I know what you're saying but Ron isn't a cancer. He is the owner and therefore more like the heart if we are sticking to the medical analogys.

If you had an embezzeling employee or a disruptive group of players that would be more like a cancer. They could be removed.

There is no one who has the authority or power to remove Ron.

 

[Beefy]

But if you have a cancer eating you up you remove it first then think about cure/recovery plans afterwards....

On the other hand, if you get stabbed then the worst thing you could do would be to remove the knife without proper care and precautions being taken.

 

[nevereatwhitesnow]

On the other hand, if you get stabbed then the worst thing you could do would be to remove the knive without proper care and precautions being taken.

Of course - you need to make a clinical assessment based on the facts - sometimes those that care the most have to make some very difficult decisions - do you remove the knife and risk losing a limb, or leave it in and risk seeing them die?? The decision may be tough but surely keeping the patient alive in some form is better than having nothing left to love?

 

[Beefy]

But surely there will be more interest in the club when Ron makes common knowledge that he is open to offers. We will not get anymore offers while Ron refuses to sell.

I have no problem with you not taking any action thats entirely your choice which i respect but wasnt this thread intended for people who were interested in doing something?

Why would there be any interest in the Club from anyone? The sort of money that Ron Martin would want for the Club (or rather the sort of money that he'd need to get out with his head above water) would be the sort of money that no one in their right mind would throw at Southend United, or any other chronically loss-making business with no assets or realistic chance of running profitably.

No amount of vitriol, no amount of protest, nothing you can say and nothing you can do will make it more worthwhile for Ron Martin to walk away than to stay. I just don't see the upside. At worse if he wants to **** the Club up then he really can do and at best there's more negativity and depression over Roots Hall in the meantime.

 

[Pubey]

 

[Beefy]

Of course - you need to make a clinical assessment based on the facts - sometimes those that care the most have to make some very difficult decisions - do you remove the knife and risk losing a limb, or leave it in and risk seeing them die?? The decision may be tough but surely keeping the patient alive in some form is better than having nothing left to love?

Clearly you've seen as many episodes of House as I have.

The key thing here is having the facts and being qualified to make an impassionate verdict. None of us have the facts. All we have are our opinions which we have each come to based on our perception of both the immediate problem and the underlying health of the patient.

 

[Pubey]

woo this is starting to sound like my health research lecture I gave this morning

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Why would there be any interest in the Club from anyone? no amount of protest, nothing you can say and nothing you can do will make it more worthwhile for Ron Martin to walk away than to stay

but a boycott would. Which some fans are already doing this season

 

[Beefy]

Why would a boycott force him out? It might kill the Club but how would it make him leave?

 

[WESTY_SUFC]

Why would a boycott force him out? It might kill the Club but how would it make him leave?

Income stops but Martin still has to paye the bills or sell up. If he folds the club then thats his decision. At the end of the day its more painful watching him bringing it to an end slowly then folding us anyway.