Leaders Debate - Who won?

[rigsby]

She has a point though, which tbf even Farage ackowledged.

Would it depend on what colour they are?

 

[Benfleet A1]

Would it depend on what colour they are?

Naughty, naughty :smile:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Would it depend on what colour they are?

Doubt it since I understand most of them are white.Their religion (Muslim) probably would be,however.

 

[superblue24]

Actually, more than half our trade is with the EU. (you can google that, there are loads of stats).

Should we be looking at reducing global trading or coming up with a global plan. Not quite sure what you are getting that there?


The real bottom line is that there is no economic reason whatsoever to pull out of the EU. 78% of businesses will tell you that. The cost of staying in far outweighs the losses of coming out. I've yet to meet a UKIPper who is able to adequately answer the basic tax questions I've asked, and indeed most have no knowledge.

Well of course that statistic is true. We currently have a trade agreement within the EU.....That was kind of my point that if we had a global deals in place we might have more trade that extends out of Europe.

I thought I was quite clear, but for the avoidance of doubt, we should be looking at a global plan which supersedes the EU trading agreements....Hence why I feel it is an outdated concept.

Like I said.....Where was your TV made? Where was your phone made? Where are your childrens toys made? Not to mention the fact that bananas don't grow in Europe, nor do Kiwi fruits etc.....Just think how much we could achieve if we had the same plan in place on a global scale.....Freight costs is a non-starter as an argument when you divide the cost by the consumables on board.....Especially when you consider the fact that we already import from these faraway countries so are already paying the costs on some items....I'm not saying we should import apples from Australia when we can get them from France (or even in England), but like I say, some things are not possible to get from Europe otherwise we'd only import from the EU, right?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Like I said.....Where was your TV made? Where was your phone made? Where are your childrens toys made? Not to mention the fact that bananas don't grow in Europe,

When we rented a villa in the Canary Islands some years ago,there was a banana plantation at the end of our garden.:smiles:[video]https://youtu.be/B6A7ag2yZbs[/video]

 

[Hotman]

Thats a made up stat. £5m every hour, every day!!! Thats 43bn a year. Even Farage doesn't claim that and his figures don't include rebates, benefits etc.

Just out of interest, do you know what the cost of NOT being in the EU is?[TABLE="width: 266"]
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1. Every import from the EU which is currently tax free will be subjected to Import Duty and VAT. That means anything you buy in the shops that comes from the EU will be, in most cases, 20% more expensive.

2. Everything we export to the EU will be subject to tax in the EU. That means, for example, German customers will source their goods from within the EU. Thus crippling our export business (54% of our trade is exports to Germany btw), and putting people out of work (and onto Benefits).

3. The argument of "we can trade with the US / Commonwealth" is a non starter because of the excessive freight costs.

It might be possible to arrange a Free Trade with the EU, but that would take a lot of negotiations with people for whom we've just stuck two fingers up at.

The CBI say this https://fullfact.org/economy/cost_eu_membership_gross_net_contribution-30887

Oh dear, GayLord Football at it again. My favourite political football, because unlike others you do think for yourself.

Do do I need to remind you of the EEC, EEA and the results of the Lisbon Treaty which the unelected Labour scumbag signed us up to without our input or request?

For clarity, as I know that you need things spelling out, the EEC (common market / trading bloc) would resolve all of your problems raised above. So why not attempt to negotiate to that position? What else would we be missing out on?

 

[Uncle Leo]

Not according to this:-

"When asked who performed best, Sturgeon topped the net rankings (best performer minus worst performer) in all three polls that asked that question."

Or this:-"On Thursday, one in three Labour voters, one in three Lib Dems, and about 15% of both Tory and Ukip voters thought Sturgeon won the debate".

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ers-tv-debate-reflection-state-of-uk-politics

Ah. The net result. Of course. The one that nobody is talking about.

Typical that your views on who won should be coloured by a piece in The Guardian.

 

[Hotman]

When we rented a villa in the Canary Islands some years ago,there was a banana plantation at the end of our garden.:smiles:[video]https://youtu.be/B6A7ag2yZbs[/video]

Canary Islands are outside of the VAT community zone, hence negating your argument based on the context in which it was raised.

You really are a banana. #barnabluegetsitwrongagain

 

[superblue24]

When we rented a villa in the Canary Islands some years ago,there was a banana plantation at the end of our garden.:smiles:[video]https://youtu.be/B6A7ag2yZbs[/video]

The Canary Islands are not part of the EU. At least not fully.

 

[Hotman]

The Canary Islands are not part of the EU. At least not fully.

They are part of the EU, but not part of community territory for VAT (as with Gibraltar).

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Ah. The net result. Of course. The one that nobody is talking about.

Typical that your views on who won should be coloured by a piece in The Guardian.

I think you'll find I expressed my view on who won the debate before that Guardian article was written.:angel:

Canary Islands are outside of the VAT community zone, hence negating your argument based on the context in which it was raised.

The Canary Islands are not part of the EU. At least not fully.

Then perhaps you can explain why any Spanish citizen can travel there just needing to show their Spanish ID card rather than a passport?

 

[rigsby]

The original statement was that bananas don't grow in Europe. The Canary Islands are not in Europe

 

[Hotman]

I think you'll find I expressed my view on who won the debate before that Guardian article was written.:angel:





Then perhaps you can explain why any Spanish citizen can travel there just needing to show their Spanish ID card rather than a passport?

**** me you really are a plank!

It is part of the EU. It is not part of the VAT Community. Import taxes were the focus of the discussion, based on the prohibitive cost of trade were we not part of the EU.

Believe it or not, I need a passport to enter the Schengen area. From part of the EU to another part of the EU. All in the same VAT community territory. So, given that we all know passport requirements do not correlate with EU membership, and further we now know that tax status doesn't correlate with EU membership, I think it is reasonably safe to presume that your assertion that tax status should correlate with passport requirements is plain wrong.

#barnabluegetsitwromgagainandagain

 

[rigsby]

Doubt it since I understand most of them are white.Their religion (Muslim) probably would be,however.

Arabs do not consider themselves as white.

Not all Syrian refuges are Muslim, many are Christian.

After yesterdays 'colour' post it would appear you are far less informed than any Ukip candidate, the ones you call racist, when it come to Diversity.

 

[Swiss Tony]

When we rented a villa in the Canary Islands some years ago,there was a banana plantation at the end of our garden.:smiles:[video]https://youtu.be/B6A7ag2yZbs[/video]

Banana splits all week then?

 

[Hotman]

And back to the topic, clearly a Cameron win. He sat back and let the others dig their own graves. From the filmed walking in the studio and throughout, he was the only one who looked and felt like a PM.

Miliband was ridiculously staged. Regardless of what he said, the message to the public would have been - *exagerated turn to camera* - if I'm prime minister... Appaling presentation skills and a half assed attempt at using NLP. Without charisma, it looks worse than honest communication.

Clegg - the pacifier, but went against decisions he stood by in government.

Bennett - hippy lady

Sturgeon - a sweaty bobblehead

farage - some good points, which are in fact the same as the others are claiming, just presented less tactfully, which will count against him.

Plaid Cymru - forgot her name which says it all.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The Canary Islands are not part of the EU. At least not fully.

The original statement was that bananas don't grow in Europe. The Canary Islands are not in Europe

I wonder if we can possibly agree that the Canary Islands are "not part" of Spain or the EU in the same way that Gibraltar and the Falklands are not "fully" parts of GB? :winking:

 

[Hotman]

I wonder if we can possibly agree that the Canary Islands are "not part" of Spain or the EU in the same way that Gibraltar and the Falklands are not "fully" parts of the Uk? :winking:

They are overseas territories of the UK, not one of the four constituent countries of mainland UK.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Arabs do not consider themselves as white.

Got any evidence for this claim?

Not all Syrian refuges are Muslim, many are Christian.

After yesterdays 'colour' post it would appear you are far less informed than any Ukip candidate, the ones you call racist, when it come to Diversity.

Actually, you'll find that Christians make up about 12% of the Syrian population.

I can't find any precise figures for the ethnic origin of Syrian refugees but I'd imagine that the vast majority are in fact Muslims.

Fortunately, (for me),I've no idea whether the "average UKIP candidate" is informed or not about racial diversity.Though I can certainly remember a UKIP counsellor stating that she didn't like people with " negroid features."

Incidentally,if you can find any post of mine where I've called any UKIP candidate "racist" (without justification) I'd be interested to see it.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

They are overseas territories of the UK, not one of the four constituent countries of mainland UK.

So the inhabitants of Gibraltar and the Falklands don't hold British passports (as you and I both do)? :unsure::winking: