Leaders Debate - Who won?

[Tangled up in Blue]

Far as I can tell the 'winner' of the TV debate was just whichever political leader you were already supporting.

Miliband didn't win it.Sturgeon did.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Here's another source that you might want to consider.



Also:-"According to Public Health England, which collects and analyses HIV statistics, 62% of people newly infected with the virus in 2012 were born in the UK. There are almost 100,000 people living with HIV in Britain."




http://www.theguardian.com/politics...do-foreigners-come-to-uk-to-get-hiv-treatment

That's completely irreverent as Farage was talking about people coming into the country not people who are born here.

You racist monster.:scared:

 

[Lord Football]

The EU is a dead duck as the experiment has failed miserably ,Greece can never pay their debt whilst Spain,Portugal,France are at the brink of self destruct.

The freedom of movement was Imo an excellent idea but should have included guidelines where nobody can claim any benefits for at least 3 years so basically you cannot move to any country unless you have a job offer already which pays enough to keep you and family if required.

I should have said £2,500,000 per hour.

Does this include all the Brits that are out there in Europe, Spain especially. When Farage sends all the foreigners home, do you think that will not be reciprocated. What do you think the effect would be on the Welfare System in the UK and the NHS with a shed load of pensioners being forced back from Spain?

The cost is 33 million per day net, in answer to your other questions;

1 + 2. This is base on the assumption the UK would not outside of the EU be able to agree any tax arrangements.
Looking at the amount of German products on our roads and in our homes, Jobs and Businesses in Germany rely as much on UK consumers as we do on them.

Are you seriously suggesting that German business would turn there back on UK businesses, thus risking the UK Market?

3.This is quite simply untrue, freight rates regardless of area shipped to are dependent on supply and demand.
If there is over supply then rates will remain low.

As you say it is Possible a free trade agreement with the EU could be arranged, Switzerland and Norway mange to do it why can't we?

I think you may care to read all my posts. I was quite clear. Yes it is possible to arrange a trade agreement, but its not going happen the day after we turn our back on our former partners. In fact it would take years. We'd need to seek entrance into EFTA first. In the meantime, we don't have free trade with Europe.

3. Yes, of course, it costs the same to bring something in from Paris as it does Melbourne or New York or China.

To be honest, I don't buy into any of these points. I feel that the EU is an outdated concept and we should be looking at ways to reduce global trading. Let's face it, most of the stuff we consume as westerners comes from non-EU sources. It's also hardly a surprise that we get on better with Americans, Australians, South Africans etc than what we do moldovans, or people who don't speak "the lingo".

i think we should be coming up with a global plan, not one restricted to Europe only.

Actually, more than half our trade is with the EU. (you can google that, there are loads of stats).

Should we be looking at reducing global trading or coming up with a global plan. Not quite sure what you are getting that there?


The real bottom line is that there is no economic reason whatsoever to pull out of the EU. 78% of businesses will tell you that. The cost of staying in far outweighs the losses of coming out. I've yet to meet a UKIPper who is able to adequately answer the basic tax questions I've asked, and indeed most have no knowledge.

 

[callan]

Next you'll be telling me that all British Asians call themselves black.:dim:

And I repeat that a black American student who was working as an assistant in my wife's English classes before Easter told her that the term coloured was not "unacceptable" nor "offensive",merely "old-fashioned."

I'm lost was she black or was she coloured?

 

[rigsby]

Next you'll be telling me that all British Asians call themselves black.:dim:

And I repeat that a black American student who was working as an assistant in my wife's English classes before Easter told her that the term coloured was not "unacceptable" nor "offensive",merely "old-fashioned."

Repeating your mistake wont make you right.

Why don't you try using your 'old fashioned' term on some black British people and see how far you get. They realise that if you were 70yrs old, it was a polite term from your era and your not trying to be offensive. A younger generation should know better. Think you need to wise up.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Does this include all the Brits that are out there in Europe, Spain especially. When Farage sends all the foreigners home, do you think that will not be reciprocated. What do you think the effect would be on the Welfare System in the UK and the NHS with a shed load of pensioners being forced back from Spain?



I think you may care to read all my posts. I was quite clear. Yes it is possible to arrange a trade agreement, but its not going happen the day after we turn our back on our former partners. In fact it would take years. We'd need to seek entrance into EFTA first. In the meantime, we don't have free trade with Europe.

3. Yes, of course, it costs the same to bring something in from Paris as it does Melbourne or New York or China.



Actually, more than half our trade is with the EU. (you can google that, there are loads of stats).

Should we be looking at reducing global trading or coming up with a global plan. Not quite sure what you are getting that there?


The real bottom line is that there is no economic reason whatsoever to pull out of the EU. 78% of businesses will tell you that. The cost of staying in far outweighs the losses of coming out. I've yet to meet a UKIPper who is able to adequately answer the basic tax questions I've asked, and indeed most have no knowledge.

At no point has Farage or UKIP ever suggested repatriation so that is nothing more than a blatant lie and the sort of scaremongering I would expect from the more left leaning.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Miliband didn't win it.Sturgeon did.

Strictly speaking, she only 'won' according to the YouGov poll.

(Which incidentally, was the one bookmakers used to settle bets)

 

[callan]

I think you may care to read all my posts. I was quite clear. Yes it is possible to arrange a trade agreement, but its not going happen the day after we turn our back on our former partners. In fact it would take years. We'd need to seek entrance into EFTA first. In the meantime, we don't have free trade with Europe.

3. Yes, of course, it costs the same to bring something in from Paris as it does Melbourne or New York or China.

So to be clear you aren't ruling out that the UK can fix it's own trade agreements, just that you are unsure how long they would take.
If the UK were to leave the EU, I don't imagine this is something we could do with out notice.

As far as the freight rates are concerned you are comparing two sea ports with a city and a country, but suggesting the costs are the same?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I'm lost was she black or was she coloured?

My wife is white (or pink).Her teaching assistant was a black male.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Veering off topic here. Back to the TV debate please and away from the whole black/coloured debate....

 

[callan]

Veering off topic here. Back to the TV debate please and away from the whole black/coloured debate....

Sorry....about that, noticed that the green party aren't doing well on the sz poll....:smile:

 

[Benfleet A1]

Sorry....about that, noticed that the green party aren't doing well on the sz poll....:smile:

That woman is completely round the pipe. All she wanted to do was spend, spend, spend. I thought it was Viv Nicholson standing up there.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Strictly speaking, she only 'won' according to the YouGov poll.

(Which incidentally, was the one bookmakers used to settle bets)

Not according to this:-

"When asked who performed best, Sturgeon topped the net rankings (best performer minus worst performer) in all three polls that asked that question."

Or this:-"On Thursday, one in three Labour voters, one in three Lib Dems, and about 15% of both Tory and Ukip voters thought Sturgeon won the debate".

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ers-tv-debate-reflection-state-of-uk-politics

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

At no point has Farage or UKIP ever suggested repatriation so that is nothing more than a blatant lie and the sort of scaremongering I would expect from the more left leaning.

What was he suggesting for foreigners with HIV? Repatriation or left to die? Seemed to be one or the other.

 

[mrsblue]

That woman is completely round the pipe. All she wanted to do was spend, spend, spend. I thought it was Viv Nicholson standing up there.

I thought she was going to burst into tears when she faced out Cameron on the Syrian refugees quota,jeez she is off her nut.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

That woman is completely round the pipe. All she wanted to do was spend, spend, spend. I thought it was Viv Nicholson standing up there.

I thought she was going to burst into tears when she faced out Cameron on the Syrian refugees quota,jeez she is off her nut.

She certainly missed an open goal in not bringing up fracking,while leaving a member of the studio audience to do it for her.

 

[mrsblue]

She certainly missed an open goal in not bringing up fracking,while leaving a member of the studio audience to do it for her.

We sat in stunned silence whilst she aimlessly waffled on.I want to know how many Syrian refugees we should take under her guidance.Her recent gaffe riddled interview confirmed the Greens should eat more carbs.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

We sat in stunned silence whilst she aimlessly waffled on.I want to know how many Syrian refugees we should take under her guidance.Her recent gaffe riddled interview confirmed the Greens should eat more carbs.

She has a point though, which tbf even Farage ackowledged.

 

[Benfleet A1]

What was he suggesting for foreigners with HIV? Repatriation or left to die? Seemed to be one or the other.

Yeah that's right, your getting the hang of this spinning thing aren't you. For those of you who actually listen, he suggested that HIV sufferers shouldn't be allowed into the country to receive free NHS treatment. Repatriation has never been mentioned, is not a party policy and never will be. Wrong party you see and UKIP doesn't let their members join, but I believe your lot aren't quite so fussy.

 

[mrsblue]

Yeah that's right, your getting the hang of this spinning thing aren't you. For those of you who actually listen, he suggested that HIV sufferers shouldn't be allowed into the country to receive free NHS treatment. Repatriation has never been mentioned, is not a party policy and never will be. Wrong party you see and UKIP doesn't let their members join, but I believe your lot aren't quite so fussy.

Farage tells it as it is,yeah can be uncomfortable but nonetheless will get our vote!