Labour/SNP coalition

[superblue24]

I don't understand Labour on this one, any deal with the SNP could cost them votes in England.
They have already lost Scotland, do they not see that England and Wales may follow if they can't distance themselves from Sturgeon and her cronies?

Exactly. There is no way that even 25% of English people want a Scottish influence in our government.....No way.

Cameron will benefit massively from the Scottish situation as this area is a perennial "no win", but Ed is in a bit of a "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't" predicament.

He may rely on SNP to get into power, but if he allows SNP through the door he'll alienate a good section of his voters. A "bad" move on this situation will see a large swing to Conservatives in my opinion.

 

[amsemp]

Hats off to the Tories. They've excelled themselves with this one :hilarious:

 

[londonblue]

Pro Europe Cameron is offering a referendum regardless of how successful he is in renegotiating.
Pro Europe Milliband offers nothing but will work a separatist party, the fact that the SNP lost a referendum wont put them off going for the main issue that they campaign on.

I think the one thing that we can agree on is that there will be a mad scramble for power come May.

Can we use the word "splitter" instead?

 

[londonblue]

Gay marriage is now legal. The overall sum of happiness in the country is higher as a result. This is a good thing.

Anything else is on the matter is just political point scoring bollocks.

Indeed, but Camerscum played a dangerous game and won. He promised something in a manifesto and then gave his party a free vote on it. According to the BBC half the tories voted against it:

BBC

He was therefore gambling (albeit he was probably pretty sure) that Labour would help him get it through.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Indeed, but Camerscum played a dangerous game and won. He promised something in a manifesto and then gave his party a free vote on it. According to the BBC half the tories voted against it:

BBC

I still don't care. The outcome was the right one.

 

[londonblue]

I still don't care. The outcome was the right one.

Agreed, but was it a lie on his behalf? He promised something that he knew he would only be able to deliver with the help of other parties because he knew it wouldn't sit well with his own party regardless of whether his MPs were voted in on this promise (amongst other things).

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Hats off to the Tories. They've excelled themselves with this one :hilarious:

easy enough to do a Farage / Cameron version if politics goes with a tit for tat yawn Fest rather than, I dunno debating issues and policies and letting the public view it on their TVs....

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Indeed, but Camerscum played a dangerous game and won. He promised something in a manifesto and then gave his party a free vote on it. According to the BBC half the tories voted against it:

BBC

He was therefore gambling (albeit he was probably pretty sure) that Labour would help him get it through.

More than half....if there are any stats fans out there....

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I don't understand Labour on this one, any deal with the SNP could cost them votes in England.
They have already lost Scotland, do they not see that England and Wales may follow if they can't distance themselves from Sturgeon and her cronies?

There is no deal with SNP in the same way the Tories don't have a deal with UKIP, but once the results are in the largest party will see who they can work with to make it up to a majority vote. The 'in the pockets of' is all bollocks, no one has even discussed it. Major distraction going on.

 

[Uncle Leo]

easy enough to do a Farage / Cameron version if politics goes with a tit for tat yawn Fest rather than, I dunno debating issues and policies and letting the public view it on their TVs....

Quite. This is just crass. And 58 more days of this pish!

 

[superblue24]

easy enough to do a Farage / Cameron version if politics goes with a tit for tat yawn Fest rather than, I dunno debating issues and policies and letting the public view it on their TVs....

Or indeed claiming thousands on expenses without receipts, after giving it the "big un" about how you should be keeping receipts even for such things as having your hedge trimmed. It's very easy to start banging the drum on issues arising from other parties and giving it the "yawn" treatment when it's something negative against Labour (no matter how small or trivial).

Back on topic, the issue of UKIP/Conservative coalition is not looking as likely as a SNP/Labour deal, and I think that would be quite abrasive to voters. Ed will be desperate to get into Number 10 and will do so by any means possible as he is no way going to get elected with a majority on current showing. It is this desperation that has no doubt led to the rather humorous depiction of Ed in Salmonds pocket.

Even if it did happen, let's face it, how many voters for UKIP were previously Labour? How annoyed would Tory or UKIP voters be if that coalition took place? I'm thinking not overly. On the flip side, I think a lot of Labour voters would be annoyed if SNP got a foothold in government and enraged if they got what they wanted from the deal.

 

[superblue24]

There is no deal with SNP in the same way the Tories don't have a deal with UKIP, but once the results are in the largest party will see who they can work with to make it up to a majority vote. The 'in the pockets of' is all bollocks, no one has even discussed it. Major distraction going on.

Let's hope he's not popping up anywhere. Distraction or otherwise.

 

[londonblue]

Quite. This is just crass. And 58 more days of this pish!

Is that how long left? God help us all!

 

[londonblue]

Or indeed claiming thousands on expenses without receipts, after giving it the "big un" about how you should be keeping receipts even for such things as having your hedge trimmed. It's very easy to start banging the drum on issues arising from other parties and giving it the "yawn" treatment when it's something negative against Labour (no matter how small or trivial).

Back on topic, the issue of UKIP/Conservative coalition is not looking as likely as a SNP/Labour deal, and I think that would be quite abrasive to voters. Ed will be desperate to get into Number 10 and will do so by any means possible as he is no way going to get elected with a majority on current showing. It is this desperation that has no doubt led to the rather humorous depiction of Ed in Salmonds pocket.

Even if it did happen, let's face it, how many voters for UKIP were previously Labour? How annoyed would Tory or UKIP voters be if that coalition took place? I'm thinking not overly. On the flip side, I think a lot of Labour voters would be annoyed if SNP got a foothold in government and enraged if they got what they wanted from the deal.

I think you mean childish.

 

[superblue24]

I think you mean childish.

Meh, they all do it......

 

[londonblue]

Meh, they all do it......

True, but that doesn't mean it isn't childish. I really do wish the political parties wouldn't stoop so low.

The problem is that human nature plays a part. A lot of research has gone into this type of thing, and apparently we (i.e. the electorate) are more likely to be swayed by negative campaigning than positive.

Who was it who said we get the politicians we deserve?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Or indeed claiming thousands on expenses without receipts, after giving it the "big un" about how you should be keeping receipts even for such things as having your hedge trimmed. It's very easy to start banging the drum on issues arising from other parties and giving it the "yawn" treatment when it's something negative against Labour (no matter how small or trivial).

Back on topic, the issue of UKIP/Conservative coalition is not looking as likely as a SNP/Labour deal, and I think that would be quite abrasive to voters. Ed will be desperate to get into Number 10 and will do so by any means possible as he is no way going to get elected with a majority on current showing. It is this desperation that has no doubt led to the rather humorous depiction of Ed in Salmonds pocket.

Even if it did happen, let's face it, how many voters for UKIP were previously Labour? How annoyed would Tory or UKIP voters be if that coalition took place? I'm thinking not overly. On the flip side, I think a lot of Labour voters would be annoyed if SNP got a foothold in government and enraged if they got what they wanted from the deal.

He wasn't giving it the big un, he answer a question in an interview by saying you should ask for receipts when paying cash - and you should. It was a slow news day, anyone using it to score points still probably needs to prioritise.

If you think a Tory UKIP alliance is less likely does that mean you don't expect the Tories to be the biggest party? Or you think the Lib Dems can make up the numbers still? How come Labour would be desperate to form a Coalition but the Tories aren't? What is your solution - no government at all? If the is no majority part then a coalition will happen, I don't know you are so alarmed. You'll have a right wing coalition or a left wing coalition so half us us will not be pleased. How many of the left on here have expressed horror at the prospect of a coalition with SNP? None. If the other option is another Tory government then I'll take the SNP any day. All a load of crying wolf.

 

[amsemp]

True, but that doesn't mean it isn't childish. I really do wish the political parties wouldn't stoop so low.

The problem is that human nature plays a part. A lot of research has gone into this type of thing, and apparently we (i.e. the electorate) are more likely to be swayed by negative campaigning than positive.

Who was it who said we get the politicians we deserve?

I really wish it wasn't so. It's the same as the supermarkets. Every single supermarket advert is comparing and mudslinging at the others. I really wish they would just concentrate on why we should vote for them, rather than why we shouldn't vote for the others.

 

[amsemp]

He wasn't giving it the big un, he answer a question in an interview by saying you should ask for receipts when paying cash - and you should. It was a slow news day, anyone using it to score points still probably needs to prioritise.

If you think a Tory UKIP alliance is less likely does that mean you don't expect the Tories to be the biggest party? Or you think the Lib Dems can make up the numbers still? How come Labour would be desperate to form a Coalition but the Tories aren't? What is your solution - no government at all? If the is no majority part then a coalition will happen, I don't know you are so alarmed. You'll have a right wing coalition or a left wing coalition so half us us will not be pleased. How many of the left on here have expressed horror at the prospect of a coalition with SNP? None. If the other option is another Tory government then I'll take the SNP any day. All a load of crying wolf.

Admittedly I've never voted Labour, nor have I ever ruled it out. Yet I made a pact with myself to never vote Labour whilst Ed Miliband is in charge. The thought of him being PM just scares the life out of me. Ed Miliband being PM, flanked by the SNP scares me even more. You'd seriously take the SNP over another a Tory government? The Scottish party that wanted to break up the union?

 

[Benfleet A1]

Had a bad day? Then read this rubbish from he who wants to be Chancellor. His last name perfectly sums up what he speaks.

http://news.sky.com/story/1441461/colossal-tory-cuts-will-hit-nhs-says-balls