Labour/SNP coalition

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

How can labour form a government with the SNP without caving into their demands?

Same way the Tories did with Lib Dems. List the Lib Dem policies that have been put into place over the last five years....

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

So they have a policy but they don't agree with it.

Astounding.

Gay marriage - wasn't a Tory policy - wasn't back by Tory grass roots - wasn't back by many Tory MPs - is a Tory law.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Scares the **** out of me the thought of having SNP members making decisions on behalf of English citizens!

 

[Benfleet A1]

Nice to see the all new and improved Plastic Commie still hasn't the decency to reply to a straight question. I'll waste no more of my time.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I dunno about giving them Trident, I wouldn't trust them with a pea-shooter. I fail to see how going into coalition with a party that wants to split the union can possibly be seen as a good thing. Granted, Cameron showed absolutely no back bone with giving them a referendum but I'll have a gentleman's bet with you right now that one of the conditions for coalition will be another vote for independence and bigger budgets for Scotland at the rest of the UK's expense.

All the things you list as demands are what Cameron gave them for free.
If Labour are in a position to form a government with SNP making up the numbers I will not be surprised but I will be overjoyed as I don't see a Labour-SNP government as being significantly different to a Labour government.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Scares the **** out of me the thought of having SNP members making decisions on behalf of English citizens!

Rest easy they won't get a say, look at the Lib Dems. Tuition fees - nuff said.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Nice to see the all new and improved Plastic Commie still hasn't the decency to reply to a straight question. I'll waste no more of my time.

He probably has other commitments outside of the site that he is sometimes allowed to post on.
I need to make a phone call and then do some paid work so I'll be off for a while if I may be excused please.

 

[Benfleet A1]

All the things you list as demands are what Cameron gave them for free.
If Labour are in a position to form a government with SNP making up the numbers I will not be surprised but I will be overjoyed as I don't see a Labour-SNP government as being significantly different to a Labour government.

It's a case of having to wait and see but I think your wrong to think that. I truly believe there will be some seriously underhand deals done to put Milliband in No10 and I also think that the country will suffer even more as a result.

Isn't it nice to have a debate like this, you know, answering and replying to each other. It's only ever spoiled by one person.

 

[callan]

Same way the Tories did with Lib Dems. List the Lim Dem policies that have been put into place over the last five years....

Are you saying that a quarter of all uk govt ministerial posts will be filled by the SNP ? (this was Cleggs price of coalition)

Also you are comparing a party that wishes to break the union with one that doesn't.

 

[callan]

Gay marriage - wasn't a Tory policy - wasn't back by Tory grass roots - wasn't back by many Tory MPs - is a Tory law.

Seem to remember it was in their 2010 manifesto or at least alongside in their contract for equalities.
Perhaps not backed by grass roots however they were given a free vote and of course had additional support from the lib dems.

 

[superblue24]

All the things you list as demands are what Cameron gave them for free.
If Labour are in a position to form a government with SNP making up the numbers I will not be surprised but I will be overjoyed as I don't see a Labour-SNP government as being significantly different to a Labour government.

Very different scenario. You have a short memory. The Lib Dems were in talks with both parties and chose to side with the Tories mostly because Labour had driven the country to ruin by not acting on the stormy seas and chose to drive the UK full pelt into the storm. I suspect that the Lib Dems were much more prepared to give more away to get the chance to have a footing in a government not made up by proven failure...Oh, and Gordon Brown.

Do not underestimate the motives of the SNP, they will drive the country to ruin with their demands you mark my words.

 

[superblue24]

I'm a British patriot,remember.

This is, I think, the most seminal GB election since 1979.

The whole of Europe (and not just the UK) needs to ditch austerity measures,which as I said,clearly haven't worked.

If the SNP tweaks Labour's tail in that regard,I certainly won't be complaining.

A non-patriotic patriot. Interesting.

I have to say you've spoken a lot of sense in the past month, Barna.

 

[superblue24]

Most of that article is complete toss. It's the Daily Mail.

Likelihood is the next government will be coalition but does it really matter - how much influence have the Lib Dems had in the current coalition - none. Lib Dems, SNP or UKIP will make up the numbers, and will have zero influence.

Milliband refuses to rule it out.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Milliband refuses to rule it out.

I'm not talking about that, that is a given - no one is ruling out coalitions at this point as no one is convinced they will have a majority, I'm talking about most of the rest of that piece of 'journalism'.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Very different scenario. You have a short memory. The Lib Dems were in talks with both parties and chose to side with the Tories mostly because Labour had driven the country to ruin by not acting on the stormy seas and chose to drive the UK full pelt into the storm. I suspect that the Lib Dems were much more prepared to give more away to get the chance to have a footing in a government not made up by proven failure...Oh, and Gordon Brown.

Do not underestimate the motives of the SNP, they will drive the country to ruin with their demands you mark my words.

Tory-UKIP / Labour-SNP those are the likely scenarios now so I don't see how left or right can criticise each other for having to do what they have to do.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Seem to remember it was in their 2010 manifesto or at least alongside in their contract for equalities.
Perhaps not backed by grass roots however they were given a free vote and of course had additional support from the lib dems.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't or the swathes who defected to UKIP because of it would have done so when the manifesto came out.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Are you saying that a quarter of all uk govt ministerial posts will be filled by the SNP ? (this was Cleggs price of coalition)

Also you are comparing a party that wishes to break the union with one that doesn't.

No because they will be a much smaller player compared to the Lib Dems and because the UK parliament is not such a big deal to them, they will be focussed on the Scottish Parliament. Apart from a referendum - which Cameron already gave them - their policies are largely the same as the Labour Party anyway. You won't notice they are there.

The party that want to split the Union - they had a vote and lost. Cameron promoted that idea from nowhere and now they are likely to have lots more MPs in the Better Together UK Parliament. Davey Cameron really doesn't think things through does he.

 

[callan]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't or the swathes who defected to UKIP because of it would have done so when the manifesto came out.

http://www.govtoday.co.uk/politics/23-europe/3337-our-contract-for-equalities-conservative-party

Came out in 2010.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/17/tory-mps-gay-marriage_n_2315406.html

Gives more detail.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

http://www.govtoday.co.uk/politics/23-europe/3337-our-contract-for-equalities-conservative-party

Came out in 2010.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/17/tory-mps-gay-marriage_n_2315406.html

Gives more detail.

Well I never.

Tory MPs 'Wrong' To Claim Gay Marriage Was Not In Manifesto is the headline - so that means that large amounts of Tory MP's voted against a law that was in their own manifesto - classic Cameron!

thanks for posting that up.

 

[callan]

No because they will be a much smaller player compared to the Lib Dems and because the UK parliament is not such a big deal to them, they will be focussed on the Scottish Parliament. Apart from a referendum - which Cameron already gave them - their policies are largely the same as the Labour Party anyway. You won't notice they are there.

The party that want to split the Union - they had a vote and lost. Cameron promoted that idea from nowhere and now they are likely to have lots more MPs in the Better Together UK Parliament. Davey Cameron really doesn't think things through does he.[/QUOTE]

He isn't on his own.

If as you say they will be focusing on Scottish Parliament then surely this devalues any representation they may have at Westminster or in the make up of Government.


The path to an in/out vote from the Union was promised by Labour - delivered by the Tories, lets not overlook that.