Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[callan]

Agreed.:thumbsup:

Remind us how relaxed you were last year when the purple revolution was on the March.:whistling:

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Remind us how relaxed you were last year when the purple revolution was on the March.:whistling:

Marching on to win one seat in Parliament......

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Marching on to win one seat in Parliament......

Yes that's quite right but still four million votes that didn't go to that hopeless tosser you backed eh?

 

[RHB]

Yes that's quite right but still four million votes that didn't go to that hopeless tosser you backed eh?

Top class analysis and subtle with it, well done!

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

I believe that "New OLD" Labour under JC has worried, mainly, the SNP, which is why Sturgeon is, again, banging the Independence drum. Many Scots that switched from Labour may well be tempted back to them now.
If and when there is a bye election in one of the "lost" Scot seats the result will be a BIG moment for the future of Labour (under JC), the SNP, & the continuity of the UK.
In years to come it (JC) may seen as a prime moment in the saving of the Union!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Yes that's quite right but still four million votes that didn't go to that hopeless tosser you backed eh?

ActuallY UKIP won nearly 4 million votes ie 12.6 of the poll.


http://www.bbc.com/news/election/2015/results

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I believe that "New OLD" Labour under JC has worried, mainly, the SNP, which is why Sturgeon is, again, banging the Independence drum. Many Scots that switched from Labour may well be tempted back to them now.
If and when there is a bye election in one of the "lost" Scot seats the result will be a BIG moment for the future of Labour (under JC), the SNP, & the continuity of the UK.
In years to come it (JC) may seen as a prime moment in the saving of the Union!

And I think you'll see the SNP win an increased majority in the Scottish elections next year.

It will be years, (if ever), before Labour can make any inroads on winning back the Parliamentary seats they've lost in Scotland.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Remind us how relaxed you were last year when the purple revolution was on the March.:whistling:

Marching on to win one seat in Parliament......

You've had your moment in the sun ....and as *** points out only "one seat in Parliament."

After the referendum is done and dusted and the yes camp win, UKIP will fade back into the obscurity that they fully deserve, as a party only capable of winning 12.6 of the vote at the last General Election.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

And I think you'll see the SNP win an increased majority in the Scottish elections next year.

It will be years, (if ever), before Labour can make any inroads on winning back the Parliamentary seats they've lost in Scotland.

It is off topic BUT I disagree, SNP has hit it's peak.
The fall in oil price is a huge reality to the economy up North.
Tories won't give a fig on Scot elections for a few years; so will be slow (and save) promises up for the next GE.
The silent 55% majority voted for the UK and the same people are staying quiet now and will vote the same.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Yes that's quite right but still four million votes that didn't go to that hopeless tosser you backed eh?

Most of those would have gone to Davey Cam so no big deal for me

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

You've had your moment in the sun ....and as *** points out only "one seat in Parliament."

After the referendum is done and dusted and the yes camp win, UKIP will fade back into the obscurity that they fully deserve, as a party only capable of winning 12.6 of the vote at the last General Election.

The more migrant stuff goes on, next Greek election, Danish vote, a few terror plots etc and the IN/OUT (and UKIP) issues change. Plus the currency fluctuations...............SO I don't understand how anyone can be so dismissive; 4 million IS a lot of votes.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The more migrant stuff goes on, next Greek election, Danish vote, a few terror plots etc and the IN/OUT (and UKIP) issues change. Plus the currency fluctuations...............SO I don't understand how anyone can be so dismissive; 4 million IS a lot of votes.

Certainly more than 3,881,099.

 

[rigsby]

Most of those would have gone to Davey Cam so no big deal for me

It was exactly that sort of insular thinking that cost Labour an easy election win in May. Millions of white working class former Labour voters are the ones who switched to UKIP.

If nothing changes then then who knows More of the working class, lets keep Ed out, Conservative vote may well go to UKIP

 

[callan]

It was exactly that sort of insular thinking that cost Labour an easy election win in May. Millions of white working class former Labour voters are the ones who switched to UKIP.

If nothing changes then then who knows More of the working class, lets keep Ed out, Conservative vote may well go to UKIP

I don't understand the Lefts continual refusal to understand this.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

It was exactly that sort of insular thinking that cost Labour an easy election win in May. Millions of white working class former Labour voters are the ones who switched to UKIP.

If nothing changes then then who knows More of the working class, lets keep Ed out, Conservative vote may well go to UKIP

I think you are the only person that thinks Labour could have been on for an easy election win.
The votes Labour lost to SNP had a much bigger impact than those they lost to UKIP. Labour aren't a right wing party so if they lose some votes to a party that is right of the Tories then replicating their policies doesn't work as it would no longer be the Labour Party. Making those people that previously voted Labour feel they are being listened to and that things will be done to improve housing, the quality of jobs, level of pay - that is how to win them back not a shift to the right.
If in an English target seat Tories and Labour each lost 3,000 votes to UKIP then the Tories would keep that seat. If Labour lost 3,000 votes to SNP then Labour would lose that seat. It's not just the level of the votes it's who they go to and location that is crucial.
In terms of why Labour lost the GE, UKIP votes are not top of the list by any stretch.

The level and impact of UKIP vote is a much bigger issue for UKIP as the result was one MP.

 

[Pubey]

It was exactly that sort of insular thinking that cost Labour an easy election win in May. Millions of white working class former Labour voters are the ones who switched to UKIP.

If nothing changes then then who knows More of the working class, lets keep Ed out, Conservative vote may well go to UKIP

Rubbish. The movement to UKIP was 3:1 Tory vs Labour. The vote flow was from labour was small (but not insignificant), not 'millions'. (14% of 3,881,099 = 543,353)

http://www.ippr.org/juncture/learning-the-right-lessons-from-labours-2015-defeat
https://medium.com/@alex_randall/th...es-from-who-in-the-2015-election-51714d9ea3a1

Don't let some facts stand in the way though.

 

[callan]

I think you are the only person that thinks Labour could have been on for an easy election win.
The votes Labour lost to SNP had a much bigger impact than those they lost to UKIP. Labour aren't a right wing party so if they lose some votes to a party that is right of the Tories then replicating their policies doesn't work as it would no longer be the Labour Party. Making those people that previously voted Labour feel they are being listened to and that things will be done to improve housing, the quality of jobs, level of pay - that is how to win them back not a shift to the right.
If in an English target seat Tories and Labour each lost 3,000 votes to UKIP then the Tories would keep that seat. If Labour lost 3,000 votes to SNP then Labour would lose that seat. It's not just the level of the votes it's who they go to and location that is crucial.
In terms of why Labour lost the GE, UKIP votes are not top of the list by any stretch.

The level and impact of UKIP vote is a much bigger issue for UKIP as the result was one MP.

In 48 seats retained by the Tories, their majority over Labour was lower than the number of votes for Ukip.....

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

In 48 seats retained by the Tories, their majority over Labour was lower than the number of votes for Ukip.....

Sure, but if UKIP didn't exist the Tory majority would have been higher in those same seats. UKIP had a bigger effect on the Tory vote. Labour needs to engage people that feel disenfranchised - and early signs are that is what will happen. Any drift to UKIP was not the defining factor for anyone except Carswell.

 

[rigsby]

I think you are the only person that thinks Labour could have been on for an easy election win.
The votes Labour lost to SNP had a much bigger impact than those they lost to UKIP. Labour aren't a right wing party so if they lose some votes to a party that is right of the Tories then replicating their policies doesn't work as it would no longer be the Labour Party. Making those people that previously voted Labour feel they are being listened to and that things will be done to improve housing, the quality of jobs, level of pay - that is how to win them back not a shift to the right.
If in an English target seat Tories and Labour each lost 3,000 votes to UKIP then the Tories would keep that seat. If Labour lost 3,000 votes to SNP then Labour would lose that seat. It's not just the level of the votes it's who they go to and location that is crucial.
In terms of why Labour lost the GE, UKIP votes are not top of the list by any stretch.

The level and impact of UKIP vote is a much bigger issue for UKIP as the result was one MP.

Rather like Essex man, our friends north of the border have been ignored by the Labour London elite for years which is why they have ended your existence in Scotland.

The best and most economical option to improve housing, jobs, pay and the elephant in the room, conveniently ignored by the left, immigration. Is of course leave the EU.

Don't bother with the political myth that it would cost 5 million Jobs, which is nearly one in five. In fact anyone can do their own figures today. Go through your phone and work out how many people you know who would loos their job. Unless you have Neil Kinnock and his wife who have fleeced us for £10 million in the last 20 years you won't find any.
Even human rights lawyers like Cherie Blair will soon find someone else to waste our money on other than Abdul Hamza.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Rather like Essex man, our friends north of the border have been ignored by the Labour London elite for years which is why they have ended your existence in Scotland.

The best and most economical option to improve housing, jobs, pay and the elephant in the room, conveniently ignored by the left, immigration. Is of course leave the EU.

Don't bother with the political myth that it would cost 5 million Jobs, which is nearly one in five. In fact anyone can do their own figures today. Go through your phone and work out how many people you know who would loos their job. Unless you have Neil Kinnock and his wife who have fleeced us for £10 million in the last 20 years you won't find any.
Even human rights lawyers like Cherie Blair will soon find someone else to waste our money on other than Abdul Hamza.

Thanks for the Kinnock figures. How much has Nigel Farage benefitted from the same institution - just for balance. And his wife - how much has she benefitted. Though of course she wasn't voted for by anyone, just a convenient way to have an extra 'nose in the trough'. Nigel 'if you can't beat em join em' Farage - maybe a good comparison would be his 'expenses to the max' attitude to being an MEP compared to Corbyn's virtually zero expenses claimed attitude to being an MP.