Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[RHB]

What about if you guys ask the right honourable Leader of the Opposition to raise the issues on Franco and Stalin at the PM's question time, after all this is his thread.

 

[superblue24]

Uh oh, there may be trouble ahead. Old Jezza is facing a defection from his ranks to the Lib Dems. I had a feeling (and still do) that Jezza's leadership could see many MPs heading for a more middle based party taking their supporters (and votes) with them.

i predict (if Jezza remains) that Lib Dems will see a resurgence in 2020 at the expense of Labour, but Tories will remain at the helm.

 

[RHB]

Uh oh, there may be trouble ahead. Old Jezza is facing a defection from his ranks to the Lib Dems. I had a feeling (and still do) that Jezza's leadership could see many MPs heading for a more middle based party taking their supporters (and votes) with them.

i predict (if Jezza remains) that Lib Dems will see a resurgence in 2020 at the expense of Labour, but Tories will remain at the helm.

Thanks Mystic Meg, we'll bear it in mind.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Uh oh, there may be trouble ahead. Old Jezza is facing a defection from his ranks to the Lib Dems. I had a feeling (and still do) that Jezza's leadership could see many MPs heading for a more middle based party taking their supporters (and votes) with them.

i predict (if Jezza remains) that Lib Dems will see a resurgence in 2020 at the expense of Labour, but Tories will remain at the helm.

Probably the same Labour MPs that Nigel Farage said were going to switch to UKIP. I notice no one has been named. It'll be news if it ever happens. Be an odd time to join the Lib Dems as they are on their knees.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

John MacDonald gave a good showing on Question Time last night, the Tory was poor, the Telegraph journo good and no change from the Scots.
Almost everyone agreed that JC was more earnest & honest in his socialist beliefs than Labour of the last 20 years.

 

[Lord Football]

Uh oh, there may be trouble ahead. Old Jezza is facing a defection from his ranks to the Lib Dems. I had a feeling (and still do) that Jezza's leadership could see many MPs heading for a more middle based party taking their supporters (and votes) with them.

i predict (if Jezza remains) that Lib Dems will see a resurgence in 2020 at the expense of Labour, but Tories will remain at the helm.

And what is your view on the forthcoming Tory internal discussions about the EU Referendum. You hear a lot about "I wont serve under Corbyn", but thats gonna be a drop in the ocean when the Tories get going. Especially as Farage (is he still leader of UKIP btw) will be sticking his stick into the ****stirring machine.

And how do you think the Greens are reacting to the surge of Labour members, many of whom probably voted Green as the left wing option last time.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

John MacDonald gave a good showing on Question Time last night, the Tory was poor, the Telegraph journo good and no change from the Scots.
Almost everyone agreed that JC was more earnest & honest in his socialist beliefs than Labour of the last 20 years.

Agreed.:thumbsup:

 

[londonblue]

The original question...... was Franco worse than Stalin. So can any of you commies give me any evidence that Stalin was better for his people than Franco was for his.

No need for silly posts about your qualifications or incorrect facts. Just some adult views please.

Eh? The thread is entitled "New Leader Jeremy Corbyn". How do you work out that the original question was about two mad foreign dictators?

 

[superblue24]

And what is your view on the forthcoming Tory internal discussions about the EU Referendum. You hear a lot about "I wont serve under Corbyn", but thats gonna be a drop in the ocean when the Tories get going. Especially as Farage (is he still leader of UKIP btw) will be sticking his stick into the ****stirring machine.

And how do you think the Greens are reacting to the surge of Labour members, many of whom probably voted Green as the left wing option last time.

I don't think such divisions are likely to be anywhere near as hard felt as the labour MPs clamouring to find a more middle-centric party. They most likely joined Labour when it was "middle-left" and can no longer identify with the big shift in stance. I think that issues such as the EU are small potatoes when compared to your own party completely changing its identity.

saw YouGov recent polls haven't really given the old man much encouragement. How likely is it that Labour will win the next election? Only 17% said "likely". Do you trust JC to manage the economy? 23% said yes.

at least Milipede was getting reasonably good poll results...

 

[londonblue]

Probably the same Labour MPs that Nigel Farage said were going to switch to UKIP. I notice no one has been named. It'll be news if it ever happens. Be an odd time to join the Lib Dems as they are on their knees.

That would actually make it a good time to join if you want to turn it into New Labour #2.

 

[londonblue]

I don't think such divisions are likely to be anywhere near as hard felt as the labour MPs clamouring to find a more middle-centric party. They most likely joined Labour when it was "middle-left" and can no longer identify with the big shift in stance. I think that issues such as the EU are small potatoes when compared to your own party completely changing its identity.

saw YouGov recent polls haven't really given the old man much encouragement. How likely is it that Labour will win the next election? Only 17% said "likely". Do you trust JC to manage the economy? 23% said yes.

at least Milipede was getting reasonably good poll results...

IIRC a lot of people left the Labour party under Blair because it wasn't left wing enough. (I may be wrong, but it's just as likely as people leaving now because Labour is too left wing.) In which case, these original people may well come back.

For clarity, I couldn't care less because at the moment I can't see me voting Labour until Corbyn goes. I'm just pointing out that your argument is through blue (or should that be purple) tinted spectacles.

The shame for me is that I won't vote lib dem because they're just a bunch of idiots, and I will never vote tory. It seems I won't be voting from now on.

 

[Lord Football]

I don't think such divisions are likely to be anywhere near as hard felt as the labour MPs clamouring to find a more middle-centric party. They most likely joined Labour when it was "middle-left" and can no longer identify with the big shift in stance. I think that issues such as the EU are small potatoes when compared to your own party completely changing its identity.

Really. Do you remember John Major and Maastricht? Aren't you aware of the Tory MPs already planning to go against the Government line? Already making demands around purdah and the question itself. Its going to be one royal cluster****.

By the time we get to 2020 we may find our political map is completely changed.

I don't think there will be wholesale defections to other parties from Labour, but I wouldn't put my mortgage on that!

 

[MK Shrimper]

There is a huge ground swell of support. Exciting times. 35+ years of right-wing policies have brought up illegal wars, a massive banking crash, austerity for the poorest in society, the growth of food banks, a hugely unstable world. Perhaps it's time to try something else?

 

[LCBB72]

There is a huge ground swell of support. Exciting times. 35+ years of right-wing policies have brought up illegal wars, a massive banking crash, austerity for the poorest in society, the growth of food banks, a hugely unstable world. Perhaps it's time to try something else?

Yes but can he sort out the new grond for us .:winking:

 

[Pubey]

http://www.ippr.org/juncture/learning-the-right-lessons-from-labours-2015-defeat

 

[Beefy]

I'd be surprised if there were no defections from the Labour party to either the Lib Dems or to start a new centre-left party and if there is then that has to be good for democracy.

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

There is a huge ground swell of support. Exciting times. 35+ years of right-wing policies have brought up illegal wars, a massive banking crash, austerity for the poorest in society, the growth of food banks, a hugely unstable world. Perhaps it's time to try something else?

To try something that's failed every time it's been tried, you mean?

 

[MK Shrimper]

To try something that's failed every time it's been tried, you mean?

I think you're confusing socialism with communism.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I don't think such divisions are likely to be anywhere near as hard felt as the labour MPs clamouring to find a more middle-centric party. They most likely joined Labour when it was "middle-left" and can no longer identify with the big shift in stance. I think that issues such as the EU are small potatoes when compared to your own party completely changing its identity.

saw YouGov recent polls haven't really given the old man much encouragement. How likely is it that Labour will win the next election? Only 17% said "likely". Do you trust JC to manage the economy? 23% said yes.

at least Milipede was getting reasonably good poll results...

Those polls are generally of a thousand people and coming less than a week after the leadership result it's all a bit pointless. If we divided ourselves as left and right on here it seems the left are pretty relaxed about the Labour Party's potential for success and the right are generally a bit frantic and grabbing any cooked up headline to cling on too. I don't know why any of you are fussed. Let it be. It's like being frantic about Colchester having a poor start to the season - not worth getting an ulcer over if you are never going to support Colchester.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Those polls are generally of a thousand people and coming less than a week after the leadership result it's all a bit pointless. If we divided ourselves as left and right on here it seems the left are pretty relaxed about the Labour Party's potential for success and the right are generally a bit frantic and grabbing any cooked up headline to cling on too. I don't know why any of you are fussed. Let it be. It's like being frantic about Colchester having a poor start to the season - not worth getting an ulcer over if you are never going to support Colchester.

Agreed.:thumbsup: