Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[Tangled up in Blue]

There's that duck again. My interest is in who might be the leader of the opposition, not some bollocks quote from a long dead tosser who's vision of the world was to slaughter as many people as possible in the name of the worker class. You might see those types as working class hero's, the rest of us see them as working class murderers, so I would suggest you butt out or perhaps consider a move to somewhere more suitable to your warped view of utopia, North Korea springs to mind.

Actually,my quotation from Marx was perfectly apposite (in context).

Many of us on the left considered Michael Foot's election defeat in 1983 a "tragedy,"(especially when you bear in mind what happened in GB afterwards).

I certainly wouldn't describe the present Labour leadership contest as a "farce", (in fact I happen to think it's the most democratic election the party has ever held), but many Tories would (as indeed would many on the centre-right of the Labour party).

I suspect that you're not familiar with any of Karl Marx's writing (including the relatively short pamphlet, The Communist Manifesto).

Many of us who are though, (including myself), would describe him as easily the greatest political philospher and economist of the 19th Century.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I don't think Meg wrote children's books 'Phil'. Unless your kids were particularly interested in Tarot Cards.

Right you are.:blush:

I'm happy to bow to your superior knowlege of popular culture.

Btw,I imagine you're fully in support of Donald Trump's campaign for the Repulican nomination? :winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I fully concede you and others are much more in the know when it comes to Labour but if Corbyn were to become leader then I don't really see where the likes of Tristram Hunt,Chuka Umunna,Andy Burnham,Liz Kendall,Yvette Cooper and Dan Jarvis to name a few,would fit in. Dianne Abbott is back in business and I suppose Livingstone the newt could be wheeled out again but I think Skinner is a bit old now. Suppose Corbyn could merge with the SNP as it seems to me his and their views are closer than his own party view.
It is for this reason that Corbyn will not win. Night of the long knives anyone?

You make an interesting point about the SNP.

They cleaned up in Scotland at the last election because they were offering an anti-austerity platform.

IMO,Labour has its best chance of regaining power in England by offering similar policies to the electorate.

I could be wrong of course.:winking:

 

[Benfleet A1]

Actually,my quotation from Marx was perfectly apposite (in context).

Many of us on the left considered Michael Foot's election defeat in 1983 a "tragedy,"(especially when you bear in mind what happened in GB afterwards).

I certainly wouldn't describe the present Labour leadership contest as a "farce", (in fact I happen to think it's the most democratic election the party has ever held), but many Tories would (as indeed would many on the centre-right of the Labour party).

I suspect that you're not familiar with any of Karl Marx's writing (including the relatively short pamphlet, The Communist Manifesto).

Many of us who are though, (including myself), would describe him as easily the greatest political philospher and economist of the 19th Century.

Nothing but a template for the state murder of millions.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Nothing but a template for the state murder of millions.

Nonsense, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

I'd be happy to admit that (some of) his ideas were taken up and mis-used by others but that's about it.

 

[Benfleet A1]

Nonsense, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

I'd be happy to admit that (some of) his ideas were taken up and mis-used by others but that's about it.

An exhaustive list of murderous regimes which you have no doubt supported at some point, just like your preferred candidate.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

An exhaustive list of murderous regimes which you have no doubt supported at some point, just like your preferred candidate.

Glad we've got back to JC.

Any evidence for your claim that he's supported "an exhaustive list of murderous regimes?"

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

He now wants to bring back Clause IV and doesn't rule out bringing Derek Hatton back into the party fold. This bloke is just too Gee to be Tee isn't he, Surely the agency have sent him along as a wind up? I do hope he wins!!!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

He now wants to bring back Clause IV and doesn't rule out bringing Derek Hatton back into the party fold. This bloke is just too Gee to be Tee isn't he, Surely the agency have sent him along as a wind up? I do hope he wins!!!

Wonderful.I saw that Indy article too.Dropping Clause IV was the worst thing the Labour party ever did.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Wonderful.I saw that Indy article too.Dropping Clause IV was the worst thing the Labour party ever did.

Quite right, it made them seem electable.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Quite right, it made them seem electable.

Personally,as far as I'm concerned, the whole issue of RC's electability is "subsidiary."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...my-corbyn-result-partys-democratic-experiment

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Personally,as far as I'm concerned, the whole issue of RC's electability is "subsidiary."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...my-corbyn-result-partys-democratic-experiment

interesting remark in that article regarding the possibility of other party activists joining the labour party to infiltrate the vote. Even you have to admit, this is a fuc**** shambles!
Frank Field makes some interesting points in linked article.

 

[callan]

Personally,as far as I'm concerned, the whole issue of RC's electability is "subsidiary."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...my-corbyn-result-partys-democratic-experiment

Am I reading this correctly that the shadow cabinet is also being done by vote?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Am I reading this correctly that the shadow cabinet is also being done by vote?

Yes if JC wins,he intends to bring back elections in the PLP for Shadow Cabinet posts.Doubt if the other candidates will support this.

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Yes if JC wins,he intends to bring back elections in the PLP for Shadow Cabinet posts.Doubt if the other candidates will support this.

I doubt if there would be many "names" MPs that would serve in a shadow cabinet under JC. I think the thread could be re-named as "who will be the Labour Party leader for the next G.E?"

 

[Benfleet A1]

I doubt if there would be many "names" MPs that would serve in a shadow cabinet under JC. I think the thread could be re-named as "who will be the Labour Party leader for the next G.E?"

More likely Christmas. They are in utter turmoil at the moment.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

I doubt if there would be many "names" MPs that would serve in a shadow cabinet under JC. I think the thread could be re-named as "who will be the Labour Party leader for the next G.E?"

The other three candidates have all indicated that they would serve under a Corbyn shadow cabinet. That remains to be seen.

 

[Neil_F]

Personally,as far as I'm concerned, the whole issue of RC's electability is "subsidiary."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...my-corbyn-result-partys-democratic-experiment

Are you saying here that ideological purity is more important than forming a government? What is the point of the Labour Party if that is the case?

 

[Crabby Shrimper]

Are you saying here that ideological purity is more important than forming a government? What is the point of the Labour Party if that is the case?

I'd say it is to be honest.

Would you rather have all parties aiming for the centre ground to try to gain electability, or would you rather there were a selection of different parties, each one representing accurately the view of it's supporters?

A left wing labour party may well seem unelectable, but at least it would be representing a viewpoint that is neglected elsewhere.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I'd say it is to be honest.

Would you rather have all parties aiming for the centre ground to try to gain electability, or would you rather there were a selection of different parties, each one representing accurately the view of it's supporters?

A left wing labour party may well seem unelectable, but at least it would be representing a viewpoint that is neglected elsewhere.

Perhaps the UK will follow what appears to be happening in the US, where presidential candidates that are eschewing the middle ground (Trump on the right, Sanders on the left) are thriving in the polls. I think there is a genuine desire for political outsiders to replace the cozy consensus that has ruled in both Washington and Westminster. I would personally welcome a truly socialist Labour Party if it brought us a truly capitalist Conservative party with genuine conservative ideals.