Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

[Supernaut]

I personally find Owen Smith to be a loathesome ****ehawk of the very highest order. I don't know why, but he really rubs me up the wrong way, more than most Tory and UKIP MPs in fact. I'm no Corbyn lover, but he is starting to make me think I might be able to bring myself to vote Labour again having deserted the party during the Blair/Brown/Miliband years, but if Smith wins the leadership contest I think I'll be done with Labor once and for all.

 

[londonblue]

First Labour leadership debate this evening - what were your thoughts on the performance of the two candidates?

I only saw snippets on the news this morning whilst I was late getting ready for work. Didn't think much of it to be honest.

 

[MK Shrimper]

I personally find Owen Smith to be a loathesome ****ehawk of the very highest order. I don't know why, but he really rubs me up the wrong way, more than most Tory and UKIP MPs in fact. I'm no Corbyn lover, but he is starting to make me think I might be able to bring myself to vote Labour again having deserted the party during the Blair/Brown/Miliband years, but if Smith wins the leadership contest I think I'll be done with Labor once and for all.

Me too. However he'll be trounced.

 

[callan]

Me too. However he'll be trounced.

He will, of that there is not much of a doubt.
Whether that will reunite Labour and the MP's get back behind Corbyn may be a forlorn hope.

 

[londonblue]

What's more interesting to me is his complete fail yet again on anti-semitism. Corduroy asks Shami Chakrabarti to chair an "independent" inquiry into anti-semitism. She finds little evidence, and is then the only person put forward by Corduroy for a peerage in Camerscum's resignation honours list.

If he can't see how bad that actually looks he shouldn't be leading any party.

 

[MK Shrimper]

What's more interesting to me is his complete fail yet again on anti-semitism. Corduroy asks Shami Chakrabarti to chair an "independent" inquiry into anti-semitism. She finds little evidence, and is then the only person put forward by Corduroy for a peerage in Camerscum's resignation honours list.

If he can't see how bad that actually looks he shouldn't be leading any party.

Why do not believe her results? It's like you want the Labour Party to be full of virulent anti-semites.

 

[callan]

Why do not believe her results? It's like you want the Labour Party to be full of virulent anti-semites.

I don't think personally it's the results of Inquiry that are in doubt, albeit I think that it left many areas of anti semitism unresolved.

https://cst.org.uk/news/blog/2016/07/01/corbyn-and-rent-a-mob-how-to-wreck-an-anti-racism-event

 

[londonblue]

Why do not believe her results? It's like you want the Labour Party to be full of virulent anti-semites.

Not at all. It makes the idea of it being independent a difficult to believe. Are you saying it doesn't look odd, and doesn't show an error of judgement?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I only saw snippets on the news this morning whilst I was late getting ready for work. Didn't think much of it to be honest.

you can watch it in full on the Labour Party website, if you see the whole thing you get a very different picture than you do from the snipets on the news. Most people have never seen Smith debate before so its a good opportunity to see him in action and get a feel for the choice between the two of them

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/04/jeremy-corbyn-10-point-vision-britain-labour-split

Thought Corbyn's 10 pledges made an interesting read.

 

[callan]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/04/jeremy-corbyn-10-point-vision-britain-labour-split

Thought Corbyn's 10 pledges made an interesting read.

No one will take them seriously until they are carved in stone....oh hang on!

 

[londonblue]

you can watch it in full on the Labour Party website, if you see the whole thing you get a very different picture than you do from the snipets on the news. Most people have never seen Smith debate before so its a good opportunity to see him in action and get a feel for the choice between the two of them

I'm on holiday. Not going to bother.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I'm on holiday. Not going to bother.

So am I.

But the debate's still worth a look for anyone interested in Labour Party politics.

Here¡s the link.http://www.labour.org.uk/pages/leadership-debates-2016

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...allow-all-members-leadership-vote-court-rules

Good news for democracy.That makes JC a nailed on certainty to win the leadership contest.

 

[callan]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...allow-all-members-leadership-vote-court-rules

Good news for democracy.That makes JC a nailed on certainty to win the leadership contest.

Saddest part regarding this is that they have had to go to court to decide this....2nd time in a fortnight?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-stay-as-leader-if-labour-loses-next-election

The Tories will be ever so pleased if he does.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Saddest part regarding this is that they have had to go to court to decide this....2nd time in a fortnight?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-stay-as-leader-if-labour-loses-next-election

The Tories will be ever so pleased if he does.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37009871

Yes that's right.Unless the NEC (and "moderate" Owen Smith) can be prevailed upon to see common sense and drop any appeal.

Appeal's due to be heard on Thursday btw,so till some time before August 24th, when ballot papers will be sent out to Labour members,

 

[callan]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37009871

Yes that's right.Unless the NEC (and "moderate" Owen Smith) can be prevailed upon to see common sense and drop any appeal.

Appeal's due to be heard on Thursday btw,so till some time before August 24th, when ballot papers will be sent out to Labour members,

Assuming that Corbyn wins, what chances are there that the party will then split?

 

[rigsby]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...allow-all-members-leadership-vote-court-rules

Good news for democracy.That makes JC a nailed on certainty to win the leadership contest.

Not really. We will end up like one those banana republics. They have a democratic election, but with no credible opposition the result has is a forgone conclusion.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Assuming that Corbyn wins, what chances are there that the party will then split?

I don't think it'll happen personally, (not to any serious extent anyway), but then I'm not in the PLP.:winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Not really. We will end up like one those banana republics. They have a democratic election, but with no credible opposition the result has is a forgone conclusion.

Labour MP's should be uniting behind their demoratically elected leader not starting spurious and unnecessary leadership contests.