Has Adam Barrett played his last game?

[TTS]

I don't get this.

Football cannot afford to be sentimental ! If you are not good enough, you don't play.

You do not continue to pick someone just because they have been a good servant for the Club. I am not being detrimental to AB, I loved him in the past, but now, we play and defend better without him in the team. If there is a falling out so what, how else can you go about dropping someone ? Start him each game and each game bring him off earlier and earlier so he gets used to it.

Others , on other threads have said about PB falling out with others, Bolger etc. Again, if he doesn't think he is good enough, he wont pick him. My god, on this forum, some would have some players dropped for stupid reasons, would that cause a falling out if we were a manager ?

You can only pick X1 players and the manager will pick the X1 players that he deems the best available and since AB has been dropped, the results have picked up. PB was moaned at before and now he is being accused of mishandling the change to the team because how he had dropped someone !

( shakes his head in confusion .... )

 

[Sussex Shrimper]

I thought that it initially made a lot of sense to bring Barrett back in 2015 given our need for cover and his status at the club and the respect he could command. That said I have to confess that I did wonder whether we were letting our hearts rule our heads in extending his contract to play in League One - not least given his slip late on in the playoff final which almost let it get away from us. I really wasn't sure that he would handle trickier opponents at the next level up.

On balance I'm delighted to admit that he proved me wrong. Consolidation was a successful outcome last year and AB played his full part in it. Nobody was happier than me to see him rewrite his defining contribution to the Essex derby from floundering in a sandpit to thumping home a header and fistpumping down the touchline.

Time beats us all in the end, and it's hard to come to any dispassionate conclusion other than that we're currently a better side with Anton and Thommo at centre-back, and as far as bit part roles go they're better used to bring along players for the future in my book. None of that is intended to disparage a club legend. I hope that he still gets to play in the EFL trophy, and if injury strikes I'm sure he'll rise to the occasion. Time to look forwards though, and again nobody will be happier than me if Barrett can find an off-field role which still lets us benefit from his character and commitment.

Oh, and give the bloke a testimonial at the very least.

 

[Roxy]

If he's training with the kids, could it be he's helping them - he is not good enough for the first team, regardless what sort of legend he is, so why is everyone making a big deal of this.

Personally if I was a manager and my captain had said after 8 games of the season we're in a relagation fight, I would have dumped him as well!!

Sorry, it is a big deal.
AB stated what most people at that time were thinking and was asked for his opinion as club captain.
Adam has been treated lousy by PB, fortunately for Phil, at the same time Nile Ranger got fit and has thus far in the games that he has played made the big difference and given PB a lifeline.
However, I for one still believe karma will come around.

 

[TTS]

Sorry, it is a big deal.
AB stated what most people at that time were thinking and was asked for his opinion as club captain.
Adam has been treated lousy by PB, fortunately for Phil, at the same time Nile Ranger got fit and has thus far in the games that he has played made the big difference and given PB a lifeline.
However, I for one still believe karma will come around.

Explain why he has been treated badly ?

Are you saying you would still pick him then ?

 

[Roxy]

Explain why he has been treated badly ?

Are you saying you would still pick him then ?

Hi TTS, he has been treated badly in the fact that as Club Captain he is not even being named in the squad, because he spoke out after the Rochdale debacle - and what a debacle that was!
So, purely in the sense of common decency, politeness and respect PB has behaved shabby by simply ditching a loyal SUFC Captain and player without such a by your leave or even making a contrived PB excuse to the fans.

Unfortunately, PB has a big ego and anyone who challenges this tend to find themselves out in the cold or worse.
Adam has been and is a loyal servant to this club and continues to do great work with the young players, who all look up to him, therefore for the Manager to think his ego is more important makes me angry.

And would I still pick him, yes certainly on the bench, and for his dressing room presence and experience alone, he is above others for sure imo.​

 

[Stan33]

AB is clearly not good enough anymore that's why he is nolongerpicked ,as I said in my post when he came out with that nonsense about being in a relegation had I been manager I would have stripped him of the captaincy & dropped him

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Hi TTS, he has been treated badly in the fact that as Club Captain he is not even being named in the squad, because he spoke out after the Rochdale debacle - and what a debacle that was!
So, purely in the sense of common decency, politeness and respect PB has behaved shabby by simply ditching a loyal SUFC Captain and player without such a by your leave or even making a contrived PB excuse to the fans.

Unfortunately, PB has a big ego and anyone who challenges this tend to find themselves out in the cold or worse.
Adam has been and is a loyal servant to this club and continues to do great work with the young players, who all look up to him, therefore for the Manager to think his ego is more important makes me angry.

And would I still pick him, yes certainly on the bench, and for his dressing room presence and experience alone, he is above others for sure imo.​

Spot on. Those that don't know what went on won't believe it if it smacked them in the arse. Apart from yourself, I know of two others on here who have heard it from Barrett himself so I know it's what happened. Barrett is a million times the man Brown will ever be

 

[Blues 'n twos]

Hi TTS, he has been treated badly in the fact that as Club Captain he is not even being named in the squad, because he spoke out after the Rochdale debacle - and what a debacle that was!
So, purely in the sense of common decency, politeness and respect PB has behaved shabby by simply ditching a loyal SUFC Captain and player without such a by your leave or even making a contrived PB excuse to the fans.

Unfortunately, PB has a big ego and anyone who challenges this tend to find themselves out in the cold or worse.
Adam has been and is a loyal servant to this club and continues to do great work with the young players, who all look up to him, therefore for the Manager to think his ego is more important makes me angry.

And would I still pick him, yes certainly on the bench, and for his dressing room presence and experience alone, he is above others for sure imo.​

1) How do you know that he isn't being picked for what he said?

2) What makes you so sure that it's PB ego that's keeping him out of the squad.

3) Are you purely going by other posters beliefs or "facts"

Football sometimes isn't the be all and end all.

 

[Jay_SUFC]

Sorry, it is a big deal.
AB stated what most people at that time were thinking and was asked for his opinion as club captain.
Adam has been treated lousy by PB, fortunately for Phil, at the same time Nile Ranger got fit and has thus far in the games that he has played made the big difference and given PB a lifeline.
However, I for one still believe karma will come around.

Rubbish, we were struggling, but I would never have said after 8 games we were in a relegation battle, that's a complete defeatist attitude.

Please explain how he's been treated badly, should he be starting then, should we not be giving a youngster experience of being around the squad.

Saying what goes around goes around sounds like to me you want PB to fail, for that to happen then Southend will fail and if that's what you want, then you are no fan of the club!!

 

[Blues 'n twos]

Spot on. Those that don't know what went on won't believe it if it smacked them in the arse. Apart from yourself, I know of two others on here who have heard it from Barrett himself so I know it's what happened. Barrett is a million times the man Brown will ever be

Just out of interest, have your 2 others discussed any other reasons why AB may not be playing ATM?

Too much speculation and conspiracy theories again.

 

[Jay_SUFC]

Hi TTS, he has been treated badly in the fact that as Club Captain he is not even being named in the squad, because he spoke out after the Rochdale debacle - and what a debacle that was!
So, purely in the sense of common decency, politeness and respect PB has behaved shabby by simply ditching a loyal SUFC Captain and player without such a by your leave or even making a contrived PB excuse to the fans.

Unfortunately, PB has a big ego and anyone who challenges this tend to find themselves out in the cold or worse.
Adam has been and is a loyal servant to this club and continues to do great work with the young players, who all look up to him, therefore for the Manager to think his ego is more important makes me angry.

And would I still pick him, yes certainly on the bench, and for his dressing room presence and experience alone, he is above others for sure imo.​

You don't need to be in the squad to have an influence on the dressing room and I'm sorry, but what manager in the world would pick a player just because they are great in the dressing room.

If I recall correctly we're doing OK playing wise, so what exactly would having AB on the bench give us?

 

[davewebbsbrain]

Just out of interest, have your 2 others discussed any other reasons why AB may not be playing ATM?

Too much speculation and conspiracy theories again.

Nope. There's one reason that AB isnt playing

 

[TTS]

Nope. There's one reason that AB isnt playing

Yeah , he ain't good enough at the moment !

What annoys me is that you're making me seem disrespectful to AB and I'm not , but again , he ain't in the team because there are better players to pick ... end of ! If you would still pick him to start I'm at a loss as to how you think he is better than the others that are ! Since he hasn't been playing results have picked up and less goals have been shipped and Oxley and Thommo have looked better . Again football is about results not sentiment and PB chose to drop him because it was probably a case of him or me , again so what , that's called survival , it's a dog eat dog world out there. I remember back in the day when AB left the first time because of the disgusting way he was treated by Ron and all the experts on here saying he was treated then , yet he still came back ! Football is a tough industry !

 

[Ironshrimper]

Explain why he has been treated badly ?

Are you saying you would still pick him then ?

oh Audi TTS... pop down Boots and laces, when you are free..... all will be revealed.

 

[Ironshrimper]

Yeah , he ain't good enough at the moment !

What annoys me is that you're making me seem disrespectful to AB and I'm not , but again , he ain't in the team because there are better players to pick ... end of ! If you would still pick him to start I'm at a loss as to how you think he is better than the others that are ! Since he hasn't been playing results have picked up and less goals have been shipped and Oxley and Thommo have looked better . Again football is about results not sentiment and PB chose to drop him because it was probably a case of him or me , again so what , that's called survival , it's a dog eat dog world out there. I remember back in the day when AB left the first time because of the disgusting way he was treated by Ron and all the experts on here saying he was treated then , yet he still came back ! Football is a tough industry !

has Ranger not been in the team since the good results?

 

[TTS]

oh Audi TTS... pop down Boots and laces, when you are free..... all will be revealed.

Ironside , unless he is the best player at training and therefore he is being left out of the team out of spite I will indeed eat my words , I've heard humble pie from another poster is delicious !
Whilst I would love to pop down Boots and Laces , I work every day , I need to earn the money for the Audi TTS don't I !

 

[TTS]

has Ranger not been in the team since the good results?

Great argument iRon , of course offensively we are better with Ranger , or are you also saying that AB is better than Ferdinand and Thommo and so him playing , including Ranger , we would still look as good ? Fair enough , if this is the case , I would suggest you watch the game in front of you more instead of moaning on here !

 

[Ironshrimper]

Great argument iRon , of course offensively we are better with Ranger , or are you also saying that AB is better than Ferdinand and Thommo and so him playing , including Ranger , we would still look as good ? Fair enough , if this is the case , I would suggest you watch the game in front of you more instead of moaning on here !

Moaning, I just point things out, you said results had picked up since Adam had not played, I stated is that because of Ranger. I think Thompson is a very good player indeed, he had that surgery, and is getting better and better.

I understand you are a high flyer, so Boots and laces may be a no no.

 

[Beefy]

Is that the type of thing that Chris is likely to confirm if wrong but go strangely silent on if true?
Has he responded to you/others when he's been asked this sort of question about players before?

I would have thought it would have been a statement of fact and one that shouldn't be too hard to confirm one way or the other. Is Adam Barrett training with the first team squad or not? There's no agenda there and no confidential information because the players train in public and anyone who goes down to Boots & Laces will be able to see for themselves.

 

[Beefy]

Nope. There's one reason that AB isnt playing

That clearly, categorically, 100% isn't true. Even if there was a huge argument and Brown has said that he'll not play again (other than, you know, that game that he picked him for) there are several other reasons why Barrett isn't in the team right now. The first two of which being the form of Anton Ferdinand and Adam Thompson.

Or do you believe that Barrett would have played 180 minutes this last week had he not fallen out with the manager?