Hard or Soft Brexit?

[Tangled up in Blue]

With the exception of immigration these appear to be pretty much the same as what the Tories put in their bill, and echoes much of what Theresa may has said in her 12 point plan.

If the white paper is inadequate, but Labour are promoting the same trite cliches that isn't opposition.

Wait until some details of the deal emerge.Then Labour will have something to get their teeth into.

 

[Bielzibubz]

The Nordic model is doing quite well, free markets with a robust safety net.

Then it's not true back to basics socialism is it.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Then it's not true back to basics socialism is it.

"From each according to his ability,to each according to his needs" you mean? :winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-phone-roaming-charges-post-brexit-paper-says

The latest (predictable) argument against Brexit.:winking:

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

One always believes that converts in religion apply their new faith with an almost dogmatic and fundamentalist zeal........ perhaps it's the same with politicians?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...minister-treasury-customs-union-a7565316.html

 

[callan]

One always believes that converts in religion apply their new faith with an almost dogmatic and fundamentalist zeal........ perhaps it's the same with politicians?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...minister-treasury-customs-union-a7565316.html

I think our time in the EU has taught us this��
The answer was always more Europe regardless of the question.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

I think our time in the EU has taught us this��
The answer was always more Europe regardless of the question.

Now it's less Europe, regardless of the consequences?

 

[callan]

Now it's less Europe, regardless of the consequences?

That of course is Upto them.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

That of course is Upto them.

Once the UK has finally triggered article 50 of course.

Don't expect much movement in the negotiations after that, until after the Dutch elections (March),French elections (May) and German elections (September) have been concluded.

As soon as article 50 is triggered the EU will be free to wind down the clock pretty much as they please.

 

[callan]

Once the UK has finally triggered article 50 of course.

Don't expect much movement in the negotiations after that, until after the Dutch elections (March),French elections (May) and German elections (September) have been concluded.

As soon as article 50 is triggered the EU will be free to wind down the clock pretty much as they please.

Actually it is in the interest of both parties to agree a framework (time sensitive), for negotiations to begin and end.
Also there is a two year time frame (unless agreed otherwise) once article 50 has been invoked for exit.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Actually it is in the interest of both parties to agree a framework (time sensitive), for negotiations to begin and end.
Also there is a two year time frame (unless agreed otherwise) once article 50 has been invoked for exit.

I would have thought it was much more in the interest of the UK to conclude a deal within the two year timescale than for the EU,actually.

 

[callan]

I would have thought it was much more in the interest of the UK to conclude a deal within the two year timescale than for the EU,actually.

No, it's in the interest of both rather than one.

As to Timescale my bet would be to see transitional arrangements agreed by both over a 2-4 year period.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

No, it's in the interest of both rather than one.

As to Timescale my bet would be to see transitional arrangements agreed by both over a 2-4 year period.

Transitional arrangements over "a 2-4 year period" would, of course, imply that no final deal had actually been achieved in the two year time scale.

 

[callan]

Transitional arrangements would, of course, imply that no deal had actually been achieved in the two year time scale.

Not necessarily, it could be that a deal is arranged and allows for a period of adjustment for both parties.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Not necessarily, it could be that a deal is arranged and allows for a period of adjustment for both parties.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens but there won't be any serious movement on negotiations until after the German elections in September.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

BREXITERS OF THE WORLD REJOICE!

WHEN IS A CONCESSION NOT A CONCESSION?........................WHEN IT'S NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT'S WRITTEN ON!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-50-theresa-may-labour-dupe-con-a7568011.html

May well not be considered the sharpest of Prime Ministers but she was certainly clever enough to run rings around many of he own party critics and the main 'opposition' party yesterday. Concerning the former, it is nearly understandable that they should be desperate enough to fall for any 'gimmick' that would avoid them rebelling against their own party. For the latter, well, it falls into terms of pathetic and embarrassing............perhaps TUIB or *** can come to their defence???
Starmer had a real 'Chamberlain moment' when he stated, this (the government's alleged concession) was a
"huge and significant concession" and claimed: "This is a significant victory for parliament, and follows months of concerted pressure from Labour." :smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:
Sir Keir Starmer, in the cold light of day, what exactly have you achieved? Let's put it this way, if you were a condemned man, you haven't gained a future review of your case as you had wished, the only concession you've wrung out of this government is the choice between being executed by hanging or electric chair.......congratulations. I've always been a little more sympathetic to Labour than the Tories but at the moment reasons for that sympathy have all but disappeared. Not in my wildest dreams could I have believed that Labour would get in such a mess over Europe that it made the Tory party appear more united over the issue! Many, in the years to come will hang their heads in shame for their actions over the last few days.
So the good ship UK has permission to leave it's European port and sail into uncharted waters......good luck to it. What ever the outcome the waters are likely to be very choppy and the promised Shangri-La outside the EU that many believe in will likely prove to be illusory, apart from for a very small minority. With austerity now forecast to carry on well into the twenties, the great majority of people are likely to see absolutely no improvement in their situation. Indeed, with future cuts they'll be worse off and by that time the NHS will be unrecognisable apart from its name. Who are people then going to blame, when they see they've been sold a pup?............it won't be the EU any more. Oh well, by that time perhaps nice Mr Bannon will have decided who the USA want to go to war with and all of the UK's problems will become totally insignificant!

 

[rigsby]

Well old life's a bowl cherries yogi, your not doing a good job of selling your failing EU dream to me. Us positive Brexitier's are looking forward to the future We have years entertainment ahead as the EU collapses and the world queues up to deal with the only safe country left in Europe to do business with....Great Britain.

By the way hope your not still scared of the wardrobe monster.....He doesn't really exist.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Well old life's a bowl cherries yogi, your not doing a good job of selling your failing EU dream to me. Us positive Brexitier's are looking forward to the future We have years entertainment ahead as the EU collapses and the world queues up to deal with the only safe country left in Europe to do business with....Great Britain.

By the way hope your not still scared of the wardrobe monster.....He doesn't really exist.

The EU 's not going to collapse any time soon.It's going to dine out on the proceeds of the Brexit deal by screwing the UK to the wall for many a moon to come yet.

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

with the only safe country left in Europe to do business with....Great Britain.

Well, I would have thought that a Brexitier would, at the very least, know the name of our sovereign nation :hilarious:

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

Well, I would have thought that a Brexitier would, at the very least, know the name of our sovereign nation :hilarious:

Theresa May made that mistake once a few months ago. Northern Ireland were very miffed and she makes great pains now and rightly so to say Great Britain and Northern Ireland stressing the Northern Ireland.