Hard or Soft Brexit?

[rigsby]

This of course is very conscientious on your part.............so, you're already giving up on the NHS? By the way, I'd be surprised if you got that much for £22.50 a month.
Anyway, a socialist friend of mine who lives near Folkestone, knows that she will soon be in need of a second hip replacement and has consequently taken out private health insurance which will cover her for this operation (from what I read today, in her area, she would have to be in desperate pain in order for it to be done on the NHS), and I can understand her reasoning.
From what I've heard, private medicine is great for this kind of procedure, it allows you to jump the queue or receive treatment no longer available on the NHS. I think the problem comes if, God forbid, you contract a serious illness, which requires long term and probably expensive care. There's no profit in this kind of medicine and private companies are consequently far less enthusiastic for your custom.

I do happen to know how much comes out of my bank each month. You pay like any insurance.....less if you look after your teeth. What I didn't tell you is I also get 3 visits year to the Hygienist who would normally charge £65 per visit. When I had the NHS caps on my front teeth replaced by much nicer ones I did have pay 33% of the cost. Recently I had to pay towards a crown but that's the first expense in over 20 years with Denplan (they may have changed name)

The great downfall of the NHS is that it has made us more unhealthy rather than what it was designed to do. Millions of people take no responsibility for their health because they think its free. Which of course it certainly isn't.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

There would appear to be two main reasons why the UK economy did better than expected after Brexit in 2016.

The first was the Bank of England actually doing it's job and implementing Q/E.

The second was strong consumer spending in the run up to Xmas.

Forecasts for the UK economy's performance in 2017 are less good than in 2016 (for a number of reasons,including the uncertainty around Brexit).

We should also factor in where we are in the business cycle.It's been 8 years or so since the last recession in 2008.Therefore, most economists, (even without taking into account the uncertainty over Brexit), would be anticipating a recession in the UK at some time within the next two years.

Given that a consumer spending boom is unsustainable in the long or medium term and the B/E can't really cut interest rates any futher, a future recession in the UK begins to look increasingly likely, especially given the 2016 CPI rate of 1.6 in the UK (very similar to Spain's 1.5), which will inevitably lead to higher wage/salary claims in 2017,when workers (and their unions) try and catch up with this increase in prices.

People are overestimating the speed of the economy. It's an ocean-liner. It doesn't stop immediately. Take the fall in the pound. The inflation that this caused is only just now starting to show as companies held off passing on those price increases for a while. But now we start to see those price increases being passed on and how companies paid for it (84,000 retail jobs shed in the final quarter of last year, a 3% year on year fall).

The projects that were put on hold or shelved as a result of Brexit, they aren't seen immediately but several years down the line. Nissan for example are, despite the triumphant announcement, are actually holding off their much vaunted Sunderland investment “We are going to have to make decisions on investment within the next two to three years, so obviously the faster the Brexit results [whether the plant is still profitable post Brexit] come, the better it is,” as their CEO said.

It's the opportunity cost of reduced future growth when combined with stagnating wages but increased costs that's so painful. It's coming and it's not going to be pretty:'(

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

I do happen to know how much comes out of my bank each month. You pay like any insurance.....less if you look after your teeth. What I didn't tell you is I also get 3 visits year to the Hygienist who would normally charge £65 per visit. When I had the NHS caps on my front teeth replaced by much nicer ones I did have pay 33% of the cost. Recently I had to pay towards a crown but that's the first expense in over 20 years with Denplan (they may have changed name)

The great downfall of the NHS is that it has made us more unhealthy rather than what it was designed to do. Millions of people take no responsibility for their health because they think its free. Which of course it certainly isn't.

All the procedures you mentioned have certainly been well accurised for their profit margins and if you're happy with the service provided, that's really good for you and them. If, as you're making out, the NHS is inefficient in what it does, then good riddance to it...........private health won't make the same mistakes. Just a pity for the poor buggers who won't take responsibility for their own health, because they can't afford to. Oh well, that's the way of our new world! :smile:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Its been like it for years. long before even Phoney Tony become PM in 1997.

That's why I have had Denplan for about 20+ years and it only costs £22.50 per month. I get the best dentist and no cheap NHS materials if they do any work. Some of us really do value our health and don't mind paying for it.

Yes,I'm fully aware of that.

Some of us are not happy about it though.

After all the NHS was created by Labour after WW2 to be free at the point of use for all.

 

[rigsby]

Yes,I'm fully aware of that.

Some of us are not happy about it though.

After all the NHS was created by Labour after WW2 to be free at the point of use for all.

But you can't have it free and overused by all.

It only works with responsibility. Our parents and certainly our grandparents barely used the service unless they really had to. It is now just one big free bar at a wedding with plenty of gate crashers.

 

[rigsby]

All the procedures you mentioned have certainly been well accurised for their profit margins and if you're happy with the service provided, that's really good for you and them. If, as you're making out, the NHS is inefficient in what it does, then good riddance to it...........private health won't make the same mistakes. Just a pity for the poor buggers who won't take responsibility for their own health, because they can't afford to. Oh well, that's the way of our new world! :smile:

The last thing you need to be healthy is money. The people of Brazil are far more healthy than us and far more happy. Eating healthy is the cheaper option and cleaning your teeth costs nothing.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

But you can't have it free and overused by all.

It only works with responsibility. Our parents and certainly our grandparents barely used the service unless they really had to. It is now just one big free bar at a wedding with plenty of gate crashers.

I am sure there is no denying that the system is open to abuse but probably not as much as certain sections of the press would make you believe. No, the real reason the NHS is struggling at the moment is through cuts and chronic underfunding.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

The last thing you need to be healthy is money. The people of Brazil are far more healthy than us and far more happy. Eating healthy is the cheaper option and cleaning your teeth costs nothing.

So, if I understand correctly..........you're careful with your weight, take exercise, clean your teeth, don't drink and smoke and you still get a serious illness. Tough luck, if you're not insured. By the way, when are you off to Brasil.......make sure you sign up to BP before leave...........now, that is really good value for money........though it can play havoc with your blood pressure from time to time! :smile:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

But you can't have it free and overused by all.

It only works with responsibility. Our parents and certainly our grandparents barely used the service unless they really had to. It is now just one big free bar at a wedding with plenty of gate crashers.

Yes, you can if it's properly financed.

I don't think anyone, (certainly not QT audiences), would object to paying extra income tax to fund the NHS.

Your UKIP line on the privatisation of the NHS is precisely why UKIP won't win in Stoke.

 

[rigsby]

So, if I understand correctly..........you're careful with your weight, take exercise, clean your teeth, don't drink and smoke and you still get a serious illness. Tough luck, if you're not insured. By the way, when are you off to Brasil.......make sure you sign up to BP before leave...........now, that is really good value for money........though it can play havoc with your blood pressure from time to time! :smile:

I haven't said anything about going totally private. If you get seriously ill or need A&E then you would and should have better treatment if we did not abuse the system. Why can't those that use it the most pay more towards it.

My point about Denplan is that it does not cost that much to cover your whole family. Don't forget I still have to pay for the substandard NHS dental treatment for others to use. How many times have I heard that cliché....You can't put a price on your health...Yet that's exactly what we do and in Britain its a very low price.

You'll have to explain the BP bit of your post.

 

[rigsby]

Yes, you can if it's properly financed.

I don't think anyone, (certainly not QT audiences), would object to paying extra income tax to fund the NHS.

Your UKIP line on the privatisation of the NHS is precisely why UKIP won't win in Stoke.

I haven't checked to odds but a few weeks ago they were 3-1...must have come down since.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I haven't checked to odds but a few weeks ago they were 3-1...must have come down since.

I'll bet you a tenner.No odds. Loser pays SZ.:winking:

(Just to make you feel happier, I get my dental treatment done in France on my wife's private insurance rather than risk the poor public and expensive private service here).

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Interesting article indicating the possible dangers ahead................ and not from the Independent or the Guardian!:smile:


http://discover.economist.com/?a=21...ocial-LA/BR-PO/BRPII/n/subs/FR/BR-LIT&cid3=UM

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

In a House of Commons of almost stunning mediocrity...........a blast of inteligence, humour and quality (not doubt fueled by a Commons lunch and wine:smile:)

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38811312?SThisFB

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

In a House of Commons of almost stunning mediocrity...........a blast of inteligence, humour and quality (not doubt fueled by a Commons lunch and wine:smile:)

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38811312?SThisFB

He's right you know.Post Brexit hopes are a bit "like Alice in Wonderland" atm.

 

[rigsby]

He's right you know.Post Brexit hopes are a bit "like Alice in Wonderland" atm.

You should get together with yogi and join that expat group who want to challenge Brexit. Apparently they are looking for crowd funding.

Good old expats, spend their days boozing in the sunshine moaning about Britain and all the reasons why they left. Yet they demand a say in our future. Well tough luck, you made your choice and we don't get a vote in your country. Lets hope any future governments take a hard line on you all, especially those that creep back in later years expecting the state to pay for their care. Whilst signing over their property abroad to children, in order to avoid paying for any of the expensive care.

Don't for one second claim that doesn't happen as one of my friends mum has just done exactly that.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

You should get together with yogi and join that expat group who want to challenge Brexit. Apparently they are looking for crowd funding.

Good old expats, spend their days boozing in the sunshine moaning about Britain and all the reasons why they left. Yet they demand a say in our future. Well tough luck, you made your choice and we don't get a vote in your country. Lets hope any future governments take a hard line on you all, especially those that creep back in later years expecting the state to pay for their care. Whilst signing over their property abroad to children, in order to avoid paying for any of the expensive care.

Don't for one second claim that doesn't happen as one of my friends mum has just done exactly that.

Ha! I've just got back from doing some company classes in Sabadell.Not much sunshine here atm-pleasant in the day but quite chilly now.

As a proud British citizen, I was pleased to get an email from HMG today, telling me that the online petition against Trump's UK visit which I signed, will be debated in the Commons on 20th Feb.

Pity, I didn't get a vote in the referendum but it's still a Tory manifesto pledge to restore full voting rights for overseas British citizens, before the end of this parliamentary term.Not that I'm holding my breath.

Also rest assured, that I have no plans to return permanently to the UK, as the healthcare here is much better,inter alia.

(PS. I've met up with Yogi a few times,both here and in France.He's a nice bloke).

 

[rigsby]

Ha! I've just got back from doing some company classes in Sabadell.Not much sunshine here atm-pleasant in the day but quite chilly now.

As a proud British citizen, I was pleased to get an email from HMG today, telling me that the online petition against Trump's UK visit which I signed, will be debated in the Commons on 20th Feb.

Also rest assured, that I have no plans to return permanently to the UK, as the healthcare here is much better,inter alia.

See how wrong it is. I don't go telling Spain who can visit and who can't. Perhaps you would like to view my guest list for the Centre Circle Lounge v Oldham, just in case there might be someone you don't approve of.

Anyway slightly wrong thread but you should be protesting about all those children stolen in Spain by the Catholic church. There is a name for them which I'm sure you can tell me. Happened for years even whilst you were living there. The Spanish still cover it up to this day.

120 day travel ban or your child stolen and given to a more suitable family.......Which would you choose?

 

[Benfleet A1]

See how wrong it is. I don't go telling Spain who can visit and who can't. Perhaps you would like to view my guest list for the Centre Circle Lounge v Oldham, just in case there might be someone you don't approve of.

Anyway slightly wrong thread but you should be protesting about all those children stolen in Spain by the Catholic church. There is a name for them which I'm sure you can tell me. Happened for years even whilst you were living there. The Spanish still cover it up to this day.

120 day travel ban or your child stolen and given to a more suitable family.......Which would you choose?

With my kids?

 

[Benfleet A1]

In a House of Commons of almost stunning mediocrity...........a blast of inteligence, humour and quality (not doubt fueled by a Commons lunch and wine:smile:)

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38811312?SThisFB

You should have heard Tulip Khan going for it today. That was fury in motion. She was asked to give way at one point, I thought she was going to punch whoever asked.

A bit more like that and the House of Commons might just become interesting again.