Hard or Soft Brexit?

[londonblue]

That's a pity.As Keynes said:"When I find new information,I change my mind.What do you do?"

Out of interest, how many times have you followed that, rather than expecting others to do so? As far as I remember, you refuse to read The Telegraph and The Times, so why would you expect people to do something you're not prepared to do?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Out of interest, how many times have you followed that, rather than expecting others to do so? As far as I remember, you refuse to read The Telegraph and The Times, so why would you expect people to do something you're not prepared to do?

See post 496 on this thread for an answer to your (redundant) question.

As a matter of fact, I occasionally read either the Torygraph or the Sunset Times in extremis, ie when I'm on holiday in France.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Out of interest, how many times have you followed that, rather than expecting others to do so? As far as I remember, you refuse to read The Telegraph and The Times, so why would you expect people to do something you're not prepared to do?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

What does a Cambridge United player have to do with Brexit?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

This doesn't sound very handy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38498839

 

[Bielzibubz]

Good, get someone in who wants to actually do the job being asked of him. Clearly he feels he's not up to the challenge. Of course, being a 'Remainer' didn't help either.

Next.......

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Good, get someone in who wants to actually do the job being asked of him. Clearly he feels he's not up to the challenge. Of course, being a 'Remainer' didn't help either.

Next.......

May was a remainer too, I'm feeling she is not up to the job either

 

[Bielzibubz]

May was a remainer too, I'm feeling she is not up to the job either

Time will tell but lets not forget. It's not actually TM that will dictate when and how things will happen. Market forces, political pressure and lobbying from vested interest groups will have a huge sway in how this all pans out and when. In my opinion anyway. The PM actually wields far less personal decision making power than many people think.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38503020

Be careful about "muddled thinking". A timely warning.

 

[rigsby]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38503020

Be careful about "muddled thinking". A timely warning.

Spot on Tangled. The last thing we need is 'soft Brexit', even many remainers think that would be a disaster. No Brexit means Brexit.

Perhaps we could learn from Mr Trump about the benefits of tough negotiation. Just the threat of a 35% tax on cars built in Mexico and already Fords have changed their plans. Not only are they going to build two new models in Detroit which will save a bout 4,000 jobs. They will now build a new factory there, instead of Mexico and create hundreds more jobs.

So he is not even President yet but has still saved more jobs for poor black people than Obama managed in 8 years.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

http://news.sky.com/story/economy-grew-05-in-final-quarter-to-defy-brexit-gloom-pmi-10718438

and apparently, food is still stocked on shelves in participating outlets.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Spot on Tangled. The last thing we need is 'soft Brexit', even many remainers think that would be a disaster. No Brexit means Brexit.

Perhaps we could learn from Mr Trump about the benefits of tough negotiation. Just the threat of a 35% tax on cars built in Mexico and already Fords have changed their plans. Not only are they going to build two new models in Detroit which will save a bout 4,000 jobs. They will now build a new factory there, instead of Mexico and create hundreds more jobs.

So he is not even President yet but has still saved more jobs for poor black people than Obama managed in 8 years.

Personally, I tend to agree with Mr Donald Tusk rather than Mr Trump.You'll remember that as far as the President of the European Council was concerned, the choice before the UK was between " hard Brexit" or "no Brexit".

Unfortunately I think he was right.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...zenship-test-despite-living-entire-life-in-uk

This sort of Brexit anomaly is likely to become much more common soon I fear.

 

[Bielzibubz]

I now think your falling in to the trap that was mentioned on Newsnight the other night, by Matthew Paris if memory serves, that the more people bemoan and attempt to point out supposed unknowns of leaving the EU to those that voted Brexit the more those very same people become even more fixed in their Brexit beliefs. I'm one of them. With every Gaurdian link you post the more I think to myself 'why, what his point'. It just smacks of poor attempts at point scoring. Which inevitably just hardens opposing views.

Still, carry on. It's amusing if nothing else.

 

[Bielzibubz]

And as if by magic.............

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/britain-has-worlds-top-economy-after-brexit-rt7j9lccb

Funny, I could of sworn we were told by the Remainers prior to the vote that we'd be in for immediate domestic financial ruin and a prolonged recession if Brexit won. Someone was telling :pig: me thinks :winking:

 

[mrsblue]

I now think your falling in to the trap that was mentioned on Newsnight the other night, by Matthew Paris if memory serves, that the more people bemoan and attempt to point out supposed unknowns of leaving the EU to those that voted Brexit the more those very same people become even more fixed in their Brexit beliefs. I'm one of them. With every Gaurdian link you post the more I think to myself 'why, what his point'. It just smacks of poor attempts at point scoring. Which inevitably just hardens opposing views.

Still, carry on. It's amusing if nothing else.

Who was that youngish woman with unkept grey hair?..my god she hated Trump calling him every name whilst looking bewildered at the American guy sitting next to her.

 

[pottster]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...zenship-test-despite-living-entire-life-in-uk

This sort of Brexit anomaly is likely to become much more common soon I fear.

Actually this has nothing to do with brexit the guy would be in the same position if we were to remain in the eu and he wanted a British passport.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Actually this has nothing to do with brexit the guy would be in the same position if we were to remain in the eu and he wanted a British passport.

That is true (though Brexit is obviously what spurred his application for a British passport in the first place.However, he's ,presumably, got a much better chance of getting that passport now before we formally leave the EU.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Who was that youngish woman with unkept grey hair?..my god she hated Trump calling him every name whilst looking bewildered at the American guy sitting next to her.

He was a right-wing, Henley Business School academic-who's been on before.Can't recall the lady's name but she was obviously a Democrat.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I now think your falling in to the trap that was mentioned on Newsnight the other night, by Matthew Paris if memory serves, that the more people bemoan and attempt to point out supposed unknowns of leaving the EU to those that voted Brexit the more those very same people become even more fixed in their Brexit beliefs. I'm one of them. With every Gaurdian link you post the more I think to myself 'why, what his point'. It just smacks of poor attempts at point scoring. Which inevitably just hardens opposing views.

Still, carry on. It's amusing if nothing else.

Thought it was the academic Matthew Goodwin who made this point rather than the Times journo (and ex-MP) Matthew Paris .