Dubai v 9/11

[mrsblue]

Mostly weekends. And you're right, I'm certainly no expert, but I do have access to experts. The amazing skills you talk about simply aren't. It's so not an issue, as has been shown the last time we discussed this, but of course mrsblue et al decided to ignore it all because it didn't fit in with their agenda. I can't be bothered to go over it again.

Suffice it to say, it wasn't that impressive, and wouldn't have been done in a skillful manner because the terrorists weren't working to the same level as an airline pilot. The terrorists weren't worried about the comfort and safety of their passengers.

Hmmm not impressive,

Experienced ATC all thought it was a military jet and were surprised it was 77.
Countless top top pilots all said it was impressive
Pilots tried the same manoeuvre on the sim and failed

And last but not least

The black box found at the Pentagon crash site revealed the cockpit door was never opened.

 

[rigsby]

Isn't it an odd turn when the "lefties" say it was radicalised Muslims who caused 9/11, whilst the "righties" blame the Americans.

Do you think Saddam or any one from Iraq had anything to do with 9/11

 

[MK Shrimper]

Do you think Saddam or any one from Iraq had anything to do with 9/11

Nope. The US & UK used the attack to oust Saddam and get their greedy hands on the oil, but the attackers on 9/11 came from Saudi - allegedly an ally.

In fact, if it was all a conspiracy, why didn't they use Iraqi or Afghani pilots/passports rather than Saudi?

 

[mrsblue]

Nope. The US & UK used the attack to oust Saddam and get their greedy hands on the oil, but the attackers on 9/11 came from Saudi - allegedly an ally.

In fact, if it was all a conspiracy, why didn't they use Iraqi or Afghani pilots/passports rather than Saudi?

We know Bush and Blair lied about WOMD
We know Bush and Blair lied about Iraq

Now tell me where did you get your info from regarding Saudi terrorists?

 

[rigsby]

Mostly weekends. And you're right, I'm certainly no expert, but I do have access to experts. The amazing skills you talk about simply aren't. It's so not an issue, as has been shown the last time we discussed this, but of course mrsblue et al decided to ignore it all because it didn't fit in with their agenda. I can't be bothered to go over it again.

Suffice it to say, it wasn't that impressive, and wouldn't have been done in a skillful manner because the terrorists weren't working to the same level as an airline pilot. The terrorists weren't worried about the comfort and safety of their passengers.

Interestingly lots of eye witnesses all say the flight 77 hit the pentagon from a different angle than the official story. Including two pentagon policemen and the heliport controller. Also another witness who is an experienced pilot says the plane was not travelling at the high 500+mph that we have been told. They all describe the plane as White in colour

Looking at the videos and photos of the Pentagon there certainly appears to be two clear seats of Fire. Which would immediately grab the attention of any fire investigator. If you look you can see the obvious bit that has collapsed but to the left near the fire station, which is the little building with the control tower on top you can see evidence of another large fire. has

 

[MK Shrimper]

We know Bush and Blair lied about WOMD
We know Bush and Blair lied about Iraq

Now tell me where did you get your info from regarding Saudi terrorists?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami

 

[mrsblue]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami

Yes but but where did Wiki obtain the info from?

 

[MK Shrimper]

Yes but but where did Wiki obtain the info from?

I have no idea, but this was the passport that was found - a Saudi national. If it is all a conspiracy, someone dropped a huge fubar - because if I want to blame the Iraqis or Afghani's, I would have planted one of their passports - not a country who "allegedly" had nothing to do with 9/11.

 

[pottster]

I thought 14 of the hijackers were Saudi nationals, and wasn't bin laden a Saudi.

 

[mrsblue]

Mohamed Atta official story

10th September,

Atta took an early morning flight to Portland to Boston and spent the night in Boston..Why would Atta possibly risk missing his suicide plane as he must of known the day of the 11th he had to fly back to make his connecting doomed flight.

Why wasn't Atta's suitcase loaded into the doomed flight?,The FBI became suspicious of a parked rental car and upon searching they found Atta's suitcase which contained so many goodies it beggars belief,video of himself about his role and going to paradise,The FBI certainly worked at super speed to suss out a normal rented car just parked up.

The contents of the suitcase is the only evidence connecting Atta.

 

[rigsby]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami

Yes the man with the indestructible passport. It not only survived the plane impact and the towers collapsing but was actually found a day later in the Tower 7 pile. So it even survived the third building collapse that day.

It was handed, anonymously, to the then NYPD commissioner Bernard Kerik (ex military). He is the man that can be seen escorting Giuliani on the Morning of 9/11 and stopping the Mayor to whisper advice in his ear.

Kerik later landed a very well paid job in charge of training the new Iraqi police force. In 2006 he was found guilty of Ethics violations and fined $222000.

In 2010 he was sentenced to 4 years in a federal prison for tax evasion and wait for it.....Making false statements

So obviously the official story must be true and anyone who says otherwise is a nutter. Including the families of the 150 firefighters of whom no trace was ever found...not one bit of finger, fire tunic or boot etc.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Yes the man with the indestructible passport. It not only survived the plane impact and the towers collapsing but was actually found a day later in the Tower 7 pile. So it even survived the third building collapse that day.

It was handed, anonymously, to the then NYPD commissioner Bernard Kerik (ex military). He is the man that can be seen escorting Giuliani on the Morning of 9/11 and stopping the Mayor to whisper advice in his ear.

Kerik later landed a very well paid job in charge of training the new Iraqi police force. In 2006 he was found guilty of Ethics violations and fined $222000.

In 2010 he was sentenced to 4 years in a federal prison for tax evasion and wait for it.....Making false statements

So obviously the official story must be true and anyone who says otherwise is a nutter. Including the families of the 150 firefighters of whom no trace was ever found...not one bit of finger, fire tunic or boot etc.

I agree, it looks strange. But my point is we didn't invade Saudi DESPITE finding out that a least one of the men responsible came from there.

 

[Benfleet A1]

I agree, it looks strange. But my point is we didn't invade Saudi DESPITE finding out that a least one of the men responsible came from there.

Maybe we didn't want their oil, having plenty to lay our greedy hands on in Iraq and all.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Maybe we didn't want their oil, having plenty to lay our greedy hands on in Iraq and all.

So why not plant an Iraqi passport?

 

[GBJ]

It about the only thing that makes sense from the attack. Someone getting paid to carry it out. Pakistan have always been well known sympathiser's to al-qaeda, bin laden was found there. America supplies Pakistan with a lot of weapons but most important Pakistan are a nuclear power. America doesn't pick fights with the tough kids in the play ground. So you're right nothing to see here.

So, the worst terrorist attack on American soil, of all time, and they don't investigate it fully, and sufficiently, simply because they don't fancy a row with Pakistan? We're talking about America, the most wildly patriotic, shoot-em-up country on the planet? The self-appointed Greatest Nation on Earth?

Let's play devils advocate for a minute & say that's true though. America's Black-Ops Agencies have discovered that Pakistan were directly linked to the attack, but they don't wish to pursue or avenge it. So, this would mean, that the Commission's final report is obviously devious & misleading. The truth has been intentionally omitted and covered up. Sure, there might have been 19 patsies to take the rap, but the real perpertrator's have got off, seemingly Scot free.

Which tbf, as it stands in real life, could be construed as incredibly accurate.

Mostly weekends. And you're right, I'm certainly no expbut I do have access to experts. The amazing skills you talk about simply aren't. It's so not an issue, as has been shown the last time we discussed this, but of course mrsblue et al decided to ignore it all because it didn't fit in with their agenda. I can't be bothered to go over it again.

Suffice it to say, it wasn't that impressive, and wouldn't have been done in a skillful manner because the terrorists weren't working to the same level as an airline pilot. The terrorists weren't worried about the comfort and safety of their passengers.

Ah yes, you and your Pilot Forum buddies, who claim the manoeuvre was not only plausible, But wasn't anything impressive at all. But your opinion seems to fly in the face (see what I done there), of actual fighter pilots, who say it would have been nearly impossible, for someone of THEIR stature, to pull off. And these aren't just Forum members, or Cessna pilots. These are men who'd flown all manner of planes, for many years. There's not just one or two either, there's a whole long list, who share the same view. All highly decorated, experienced & respected in their fields.

So it's not a case of fitting an agenda, it's the simple fact that I for one, refuse to value you & your Forum buddies opinions, over highly decorated & experienced fighter pilots.

Nope. The US & UK used the attack to oust Saddam and get their greedy hands on the oil, but the attackers on 9/11 came from Saudi - allegedly an ally.

In fact, if it was all a conspiracy, why didn't they use Iraqi or Afghani pilots/passports rather than Saudi?

TBH, it didn't really matter where the passports said they were from, did it? America already had Al-Qaeda in its sights. They could have said the attackers were from Greenland for all it mattered, they were still hell bent on attacking Al-Qaeda at the source, which of course, was Afghanistan & Iraq.

We know Bush and Blair lied about WOMD
We know Bush and Blair lied about Iraq

This is STILL the biggest conspiracy surrounding the whole thing. The invasion & bombing of Iraq & Afghan were totally unlawful, with the reasoning being completely fabricated. To this day, I'm ****ing amazed Blair & Bush haven't been brought up on charges.

 

[londonblue]

So, the worst terrorist attack on American soil, of all time, and they don't investigate it fully, and sufficiently, simply because they don't fancy a row with Pakistan? We're talking about America, the most wildly patriotic, shoot-em-up country on the planet? The self-appointed Greatest Nation on Earth?

Let's play devils advocate for a minute & say that's true though. America's Black-Ops Agencies have discovered that Pakistan were directly linked to the attack, but they don't wish to pursue or avenge it. So, this would mean, that the Commission's final report is obviously devious & misleading. The truth has been intentionally omitted and covered up. Sure, there might have been 19 patsies to take the rap, but the real perpertrator's have got off, seemingly Scot free.

Which tbf, as it stands in real life, could be construed as incredibly accurate.



Ah yes, you and your Pilot Forum buddies, who claim the manoeuvre was not only plausible, But wasn't anything impressive at all. But your opinion seems to fly in the face (see what I done there), of actual fighter pilots, who say it would have been nearly impossible, for someone of THEIR stature, to pull off. And these aren't just Forum members, or Cessna pilots. These are men who'd flown all manner of planes, for many years. There's not just one or two either, there's a whole long list, who share the same view. All highly decorated, experienced & respected in their fields.

So it's not a case of fitting an agenda, it's the simple fact that I for one, refuse to value you & your Forum buddies opinions, over highly decorated & experienced fighter pilots.



TBH, it didn't really matter where the passports said they were from, did it? America already had Al-Qaeda in its sights. They could have said the attackers were from Greenland for all it mattered, they were still hell bent on attacking Al-Qaeda at the source, which of course, was Afghanistan & Iraq.



This is STILL the biggest conspiracy surrounding the whole thing. The invasion & bombing of Iraq & Afghan were totally unlawful, with the reasoning being completely fabricated. To this day, I'm ****ing amazed Blair & Bush haven't been brought up on charges.

Ahh, yes, the people on the forum I frequent. You know, the ones that are about 99% commercial airline pilots.

 

[MK Shrimper]

This is STILL the biggest conspiracy surrounding the whole thing. The invasion & bombing of Iraq & Afghan were totally unlawful, with the reasoning being completely fabricated. To this day, I'm ****ing amazed Blair & Bush haven't been brought up on charges.

That I'm 100% behind you with.

 

[GBJ]

Ahh, yes, the people on the forum I frequent. You know, the ones that are about 99% commercial airline pilots.

Well in that case, I'm convinced. A man I've never met (that would be you), tells me on an Internet forum, that he knows lots of real-life pilots on another Internet forum, and they all said its bollocks.

Here, share your info with these fella's.... http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

They're the highly decorated, experienced fighter pilots I earlier referred to. Because you see, they share a different view. This lot think the manoeuvre Hanjour produced, was impossible for a man of his experience. Nothing to do with comfortability of the passengers, more the fact that it was impossible.

Infact, a genuine question, what makes you believe your Forum buddies, over these men?

 

[GBJ]

That I'm 100% behind you with.

What was your take on the leaked White House files, that incriminated Blair? The top-secret memos, that allegedly said Blair would try & appear strong & resilient to the British public, but was always fully committed & supportive of the invasion of Afghanistan & Iraq, whether or not Blix found the WMD's.

 

[mrsblue]

Well in that case, I'm convinced. A man I've never met (that would be you), tells me on an Internet forum, that he knows lots of real-life pilots on another Internet forum, and they all said its bollocks.

Here, share your info with these fella's.... http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

They're the highly decorated, experienced fighter pilots I earlier referred to. Because you see, they share a different view. This lot think the manoeuvre Hanjour produced, was impossible for a man of his experience. Nothing to do with comfortability of the passengers, more the fact that it was impossible.

Infact, a genuine question, what makes you believe your Forum buddies, over these men?

Maybe Londonblue misheard his chums when they said they could pull it off:winking: