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rigsby
Life President⭐🦐
I have seen this site before and all proves is how small the fires were in WTC 7. Even in the first few lines it claims that the failure of one column MAY have caused the collapse. So you can hardly claim that has debunked any other theories.
Mayor Giuliani had his disaster management centre in WTC 7. Bomb proof and with its own air supply. When two of his team Barry Jennings and his boss Michael Hess arrived on the morning of 9/11, to their surprise the command centre had been abandoned. With remarkable foresight Giuliani had decided to take his team and leave before the South tower had even collapsed.
Jennings was interviewed by a news channel on the morning of 9/11, complete with ripped suit and claimed that as they were leaving WTC 7 they were trapped in a stairwell when an explosion occurred on about the sixth floor. A claim backed up by Hess who is on video shouting for help on the 8th floor of WTC 7.
londonblue
Topgun Pilot
I worked in Canary Wharf at the time. When the attack happened we were all told we could go home if we thought we were in danger. Nearly everyone did, and we weren't even in the same country, let alone on the same site.
AndyT
Lord of the Reedy River
rigsby
Life President⭐🦐
Were you and your team in charge of rescuing the people that were jumping from the towers ? Or were you responsible for the Firefighters and police who were about to enter the same towers?
The 9/11 stuff is a pointless discussion these days. Too much smug, smartarsery & not enough reasoned, levelled debate. So, if anyone wants a proper discussion, feel free to engage. But leave the ignorant tin-foil hat & shape shifting lizard comments to one side.
Firstly, It's in our nature to question things. Question everything, in fact. If something doesn't seem right, we, as human beings have to question it. Being inquisitive, is in our nature. If those questions are answered clearly & precisely, there is no need for further discussion.
IMO, that isn't the case with 9/11
Let's focus on the basics. Forget stupid theories of mini-nukes or hologram planes, let's start with the bread and butter of 9/11. The Commission's Report. Why, oh why, was the Commissions report, full of holes? Why were there so many omissions regarding important aspects of the attacks, both during & after.
Let me be clear, at this stage, I'm not advocating any wrong doing from the Americans. I'm simply inviting those who are fully satisfied with the official story, to look at some of these anomalies & omissions, and question, why.
Surely, if the Comission's Offical Report is wrong, questionable, deliberately omissive and/or down right dubious, then how can we, as inquisitive human beings, not take notice?
Firstly, It's in our nature to question things. Question everything, in fact. If something doesn't seem right, we, as human beings have to question it. Being inquisitive, is in our nature. If those questions are answered clearly & precisely, there is no need for further discussion.
IMO, that isn't the case with 9/11
Let's focus on the basics. Forget stupid theories of mini-nukes or hologram planes, let's start with the bread and butter of 9/11. The Commission's Report. Why, oh why, was the Commissions report, full of holes? Why were there so many omissions regarding important aspects of the attacks, both during & after.
Let me be clear, at this stage, I'm not advocating any wrong doing from the Americans. I'm simply inviting those who are fully satisfied with the official story, to look at some of these anomalies & omissions, and question, why.
Surely, if the Comission's Offical Report is wrong, questionable, deliberately omissive and/or down right dubious, then how can we, as inquisitive human beings, not take notice?
rigsby
Life President⭐🦐
Thanks Andy T. Perhaps anyone who watches this might now understand why I, a London Firefighter for 27 years, questions how WTC 7 could even catch alight from falling debris, let alone collapse because of fires that could have been extinguished by just 50 firefighters on any other day in history.
Pubey
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Pubey
Guest
Wasn't the water supply broken in WTC 7 which meant there were no sprinklers working?
I'm not a firefighter/structural engineer, but just because something very unusual or unique happened, doesn't automatically mean it was foul play. The few things I've read and watched have debunked most of the myths that surround WTC 7.
That's a really interesting watch, I wonder if there has been any actual collapses like WTC 7 before or since?
Pubey
Guest
There haven't been two airliners flying into two skyscrapers next door, before or since. The circumstances were already extraordinary. It seems like people drawing from other fires, or their own experience, often forget that.
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No plane flew into WTC7 and I'm pretty sure on loose change they show buildings planes have flown into and not collapsed.
Pubey
Guest
I never said they did.
Nope you didn't.
I've seen nothing to convincingly debunk WTC7.
Take 9/11myths.com for example. They offer up pictures of the building, saying it was badly damaged. But in nearly every single picture, the building is shrouded in dust & smoke. It's not clear at all. There is visible damage, but there is also reports saying the damage stretched over 20 floors. That's nearly half the building, yet no clear pictures. Now, again this doesn't prove anything, but it doesn't prove they're correct either.
Then they have reports from firemen, who were there at the time. Now, far-be-it-for-me to question those firemen, but how is their statements, any more solid proof, than those firemen who claim they saw & heard something completely different? Same as Hess & Jennings, (whose testimonies were omitted from the 9/11 Commision report)
The people who've "debunked" it, are no better than those, who blindly claim foul-play, as you put it.
rigsby
Life President⭐🦐
Whenever there is a large fire or incident of any significance every fire brigade NYFD included would have a debrief. To find out exactly who, what, where, when, how, why. In London we do what's called a form 10 so that each persons action, observations etc are recorded.
If someone has died or there is crime involved then the police will take statements. Some incidents I have attended have ended up with Firefighters giving evidence in the Old Bailey or have been on crime watch etc. Even a suicide you have to sometimes attend a coroners court. The Kings Cross fire lead to a public inquiry which in turn lead to over 130 recommendations. No smoking on the underground, better fire gear for firefighters and radios that actually worked etc.
So why was none of the above instigated after 9/11. WTC 7 was not even included in the Commissions investigation.
Questions like why did the sprinklers not work. Who actually decided to evacuate the building. What were these explosions that many Firefighters heard at the time. Why did so many of the new radios that Giuliani had bought not work. So far we have never had any proper answers even the group you mentioned NIST decided not to include testimony that did not fit their investigation.
rigsby
Life President⭐🦐
The really important bit is the Deutsche Bank at 0.57. The official story is that building 5 ( 1.14) was hit by debris and jet fuel so I can understand the fire, but look how well the building performs.
Now we have all been told that the fires in WTC 7 were started by falling debris. Well in that case why was there no fire in the Deutsche Bank. The other interesting bit is the partial collapse of the Dutch Uni.
londonblue
Topgun Pilot
Did you miss the point on purpose?
londonblue
Topgun Pilot
So you admit you're a fireman, and not a structural engineer. In fact you admit you're in no way qualified to know anything other than how to rescue people and put fires out. Thanks for clarifying.
For clarity, I'm not knocking you as a fireman because I doubt I would have the balls to do what you do, I'm just saying I'd rather believe the experts, and when experts disagree I'll look at what the majority of experts are saying.
mrsblue
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