Dubai v 9/11

[mrsblue]

So you admit you're a fireman, and not a structural engineer. In fact you admit you're in no way qualified to know anything other than how to rescue people and put fires out. Thanks for clarifying.

For clarity, I'm not knocking you as a fireman because I doubt I would have the balls to do what you do, I'm just saying I'd rather believe the experts, and when experts disagree I'll look at what the majority of experts are saying.

Well over 2000 experts reckon it was controlled demolition!

 

[rigsby]

Did you miss the point on purpose?

I think its you that's missed the point. I don't blame you for slipping off home early on 9/11 but Giuliani was in charge of New York on its biggest day in History.

 

[GBJ]

So you admit you're a fireman, and not a structural engineer. In fact you admit you're in no way qualified to know anything other than how to rescue people and put fires out. Thanks for clarifying.

For clarity, I'm not knocking you as a fireman because I doubt I would have the balls to do what you do, I'm just saying I'd rather believe the experts, and when experts disagree I'll look at what the majority of experts are saying.

Is it not, at the very least, highly intriguing that so many experts actually do disagree though?

 

[rigsby]

So you admit you're a fireman, and not a structural engineer. In fact you admit you're in no way qualified to know anything other than how to rescue people and put fires out. Thanks for clarifying.

For clarity, I'm not knocking you as a fireman because I doubt I would have the balls to do what you do, I'm just saying I'd rather believe the experts, and when experts disagree I'll look at what the majority of experts are saying.

I think you'll find there was a lot of that sort of thing happening on 9/11.

 

[Pubey]

Well over 2000 experts reckon it was controlled demolition!

Citation needed.

 

[mrsblue]

Is this the one you mean? :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NrASZxGu_o

Nice one Andy !

How can anyone view this footage and still try and debunk the theory is beyond me.

 

[londonblue]

I think its you that's missed the point. I don't blame you for slipping off home early on 9/11 but Giuliani was in charge of New York on its biggest day in History.

I didn't. But you really have missed the point.

 

[rigsby]

I didn't. But you really have missed the point.

I would ask you for an opinion on the amazing skills of the pilot on flight 77. But as you have pointed out its best to ask an expert rather than someone who plays airplanes at the weekend.

 

[mrsblue]

NIST,


They ignored a 15,000 signed petition from scientists and scholars with their findings
They ignored 115 eye witness accounts of explosions
They even ignored government employees Jennings and Hess
They ignored the possibility of explosion of any kind
They denied 7 was a free fall building
Their computer was deliberately fed false info with no relevance to the event

They were meant to be discovering why it fell hmmm.

 

[GBJ]

Citation needed.

Architects & Engineers:
http://www.ae911truth.org

Firefighters:
http://ff911truthandunity.org/investigation

Military/Intelligence/Survivors/Family members
http://patriotsquestion911.com

Pilots:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

Maybe they're all fruitcakes, with tin foil hats. Or maybe their stories & theories carry weight? I'm not an expert in any of those fields, neither was I in NY at the time. I can't argue against the people who were there, and who are experts. I find it intriguing why other people can dismiss it, quickly & easily though.

Either way, they were all ignored by the 9/11 Commission. The same Commission which has admitted to being flawed & "set up to fail". The same Commission, who's investigations were "hampered", by the CIA. The same Commission who pretty much said, that the FBI & the CIA, could have done more to "stop the attacks".

Would you, or anyone else be against a renewed investigation, by an independent team, with unrestricted access to The American Governent & it's associated agencies?

 

[Pubey]

Architects & Engineers:
http://www.ae911truth.org

Firefighters:
http://ff911truthandunity.org/investigation

Military/Intelligence/Survivors/Family members
http://patriotsquestion911.com

Pilots:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

Maybe they're all fruitcakes, with tin foil hats. Or maybe their stories & theories carry weight? I'm not an expert in any of those fields, neither was I in NY at the time. I can't argue against the people who were there, and who are experts. I find it intriguing why other people can dismiss it, quickly & easily though.

Either way, they were all ignored by the 9/11 Commission. The same Commission which has admitted to being flawed & "set up to fail". The same Commission, who's investigations were "hampered", by the CIA. The same Commission who pretty much said, that the FBI & the CIA, could have done more to "stop the attacks".

Would you, or anyone else be against a renewed investigation, by an independent team, with unrestricted access to The American Governent & it's associated agencies?

2,000 people asking for a new investigation doesn't equal 2,000 experts who believe it was a controlled explosion.

 

[rigsby]

Architects & Engineers:
http://www.ae911truth.org

Firefighters:
http://ff911truthandunity.org/investigation

Military/Intelligence/Survivors/Family members
http://patriotsquestion911.com

Pilots:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

Maybe they're all fruitcakes, with tin foil hats. Or maybe their stories & theories carry weight? I'm not an expert in any of those fields, neither was I in NY at the time. I can't argue against the people who were there, and who are experts. I find it intriguing why other people can dismiss it, quickly & easily though.

Either way, they were all ignored by the 9/11 Commission. The same Commission which has admitted to being flawed & "set up to fail". The same Commission, who's investigations were "hampered", by the CIA. The same Commission who pretty much said, that the FBI & the CIA, could have done more to "stop the attacks".

Would you, or anyone else be against a renewed investigation, by an independent team, with unrestricted access to The American Governent & it's associated agencies?

Because deep down the truth scares some people, we can see that this thread has rattled a few. 500 years ago people were burned at the stake for saying the earth was round.

 

[GBJ]

2,000 people asking for a new investigation doesn't equal 2,000 experts who believe it was a controlled explosion.

Firstly, Theres a few more than 2000, who believe it was something sinister. IIRC, I saw an online survey (can't for the life Of me, remember where though) that said 40% of Americans want an independent investigation into the attacks.

Secondly, If you look at the lists, you'll see they are made up primarily of veterans, aswell as currently serving pilots, military personnel, firefighters, aswell as Architects & Engineers, with credible doctorates, degrees & experience, in their respective fields. And let's not forget the list of people who were actually there in NY at the time, either in the WTC buildings, or in the vicinity.

So yes, that is exactly what it is. 2000+ architects & engineers, who've came to the conclusion that the official story, doesn't fit with their knowledge of their field. And that's just the architects & engineers

 

[GBJ]

I would ask you for an opinion on the amazing skills of the pilot on flight 77. But as you have pointed out its best to ask an expert rather than someone who plays airplanes at the weekend.

Never mind Hani Hanjours mysterious flying ability, I'm more impressed with the notion that he, a man of 5'7, and slim build, armed with only a small Stanley Knife, managed to intimidate and/or overpower a highly decorated former Navy fighter pilot, who was a keen weightlifter, and Referred to as a "tough man". You'd have thought graduating with honours from the Navy's TOPGUN school, and his two tours during The Gulf War, and receiving the Defence Superior Service Medal, would have prepared him for a small, young man with a tiny knife.

 

[pottster]

I blame ron. He told everyone the warchest was in tower 7 and when the truth was close to being discovered that it wasn't there he blew it up.

 

[GBJ]

I blame ron. He told everyone the warchest was in tower 7 and when the truth was close to being discovered that it wasn't there he blew it up.

Excellent contribution.

You posed a thought yesterday that the men responsible for the attacks, all died on the planes. I retorted that the Head of the Pakistani ISI, Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmed, not only met with CIA executives in the weeks leading up to 9/11, but also was in NY on the day.

The odd thing though, he wire transfered $100,000 to Mohamed Atta, on September 10th. The same Mohamed Atta that flew AA11 into the North Tower. Doesn't that strike you, or anyone else as slightly odd? To me, what's even stranger, is that The 9/11 Commission Head, Thomas Kean, almost embarrisingly admitted that this occurrence was "insignificant". It was never investigated further, and was totally omitted from the Commission's final report. The entire attacks, were estimated to have cost $500,000, as reported by the Commission.

The chief ringleader, recieves a $100k sum of money, the day before he leads 18 others into one of the worst atrocities seen on American soil, and the people investigating it, deem this occurrence as "insignificant".

Nothing to see here, please move along

 

[pottster]

Excellent contribution.

You posed a thought yesterday that the men responsible for the attacks, all died on the planes. I retorted that the Head of the Pakistani ISI, Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmed, not only met with CIA executives in the weeks leading up to 9/11, but also was in NY on the day.

The odd thing though, he wire transfered $100,000 to Mohamed Atta, on September 10th. The same Mohamed Atta that flew AA11 into the North Tower. Doesn't that strike you, or anyone else as slightly odd? To me, what's even stranger, is that The 9/11 Commission Head, Thomas Kean, almost embarrisingly admitted that this occurrence was "insignificant". It was never investigated further, and was totally omitted from the Commission's final report. The entire attacks, were estimated to have cost $500,000, as reported by the Commission.

The chief ringleader, recieves a $100k sum of money, the day before he leads 18 others into one of the worst atrocities seen on American soil, and the people investigating it, deem this occurrence as "insignificant".

Nothing to see here, please move along

It about the only thing that makes sense from the attack. Someone getting paid to carry it out. Pakistan have always been well known sympathiser's to al-qaeda, bin laden was found there. America supplies Pakistan with a lot of weapons but most important Pakistan are a nuclear power. America doesn't pick fights with the tough kids in the play ground. So you're right nothing to see here.

 

[londonblue]

I would ask you for an opinion on the amazing skills of the pilot on flight 77. But as you have pointed out its best to ask an expert rather than someone who plays airplanes at the weekend.

Mostly weekends. And you're right, I'm certainly no expert, but I do have access to experts. The amazing skills you talk about simply aren't. It's so not an issue, as has been shown the last time we discussed this, but of course mrsblue et al decided to ignore it all because it didn't fit in with their agenda. I can't be bothered to go over it again.

Suffice it to say, it wasn't that impressive, and wouldn't have been done in a skillful manner because the terrorists weren't working to the same level as an airline pilot. The terrorists weren't worried about the comfort and safety of their passengers.

 

[londonblue]

I blame ron. He told everyone the warchest was in tower 7 and when the truth was close to being discovered that it wasn't there he blew it up.

This is about as ridiculous as all the other conspiracy theories, so it must be true.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Isn't it an odd turn when the "lefties" say it was radicalised Muslims who caused 9/11, whilst the "righties" blame the Americans.