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Dubai v 9/11

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GBJ said:
Well in that case, I'm convinced. A man I've never met (that would be you), tells me on an Internet forum, that he knows lots of real-life pilots on another Internet forum, and they all said its bollocks.

Here, share your info with these fella's.... http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

They're the highly decorated, experienced fighter pilots I earlier referred to. Because you see, they share a different view. This lot think the manoeuvre Hanjour produced, was impossible for a man of his experience. Nothing to do with comfortability of the passengers, more the fact that it was impossible.

Infact, a genuine question, what makes you believe your Forum buddies, over these men?
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So what's the difference between that and all the other people that believe what they read on the internet?

Here's some quotes for you from commercial pilots on the forum (I'm at work and can't really spend the time trawling through the thousands of pages of debunking post and general discussion points on there, especially as I'm leaving soon):

United Airlines tested a bunch of low time private pilots in heavy jet sims a few years ago and the majority of them were able to fly the planes however it was not precise flying and the landings were hairy but survivable.
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I was in a 744 sim with a guy who flew under the Golden Gate bridge 10mins after taking the controls with no previous flying experience. A/T engaged but no other aids.
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I do have to admit that a good level of Stick and Rudder skill would of been required on jets if not on type.

However new desktop sims have copycat FMC, EFIS, EICAS and MCP etc etc. You would be surprised just how much someone with basic flying experience would learn from such a package. These computer facilities would without doubt prove to be a significant learning aid in getting to grips with the basics (and potentially more!) on the FMC, Autopilot, and general Systems.
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He probably was too high on the first pass, was right over the target before he saw it, made a "fighter type" turn to come around for another try, exceeded 45 deg or so of bank and stalled it. Anyone who has done steep turns in a heavy sim can confirm that you get the shaker a whole lot quicker than you might think. The impact on the Pentagon was just dumb luck.
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BTW you know the supposed terrorist who was a "bad" pilot actually had an instrument rating, making him a much better pilot than me, even if he wasn't the best?

Anyway, that's me done. I can't be bothered to go through all this again.

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Had a beer over Christmas with a friend of mine from school. Guess what he's a commercial pilot and we discussed 9/11. He said if you had their level of experience and lots of flight sim practice then you could possibly pull off the twin towers if you did not over correct.

Not the pentagon as we have been told. Turning at those speeds, the plane could easily break-up. Again possible if you got lucky and went straight down into the middle of the building. But to come down at the angle they said at that speed and then after you have clipped lamp posts you would not be able to level out 500 tonnes of Boeing without ploughing straight into the ground.
 
londonblue said:
So what's the difference between that and all the other people that believe what they read on the internet?
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There's no difference. We, as adults, have the right to make up our own minds & choose to believe in whatever we want. I don't take everything random strangers state on an Internet Forum, as gospel truth. In addition, I wouldn't apply it to real life.

For or all I know, the pilots on that forum are legit. But then, on the flip side, they may not be. Either way, that doesn't really concern me. Not every pilot on the planet will agree on the topic. Those registered on the Pilotsfor911truth.org, are however, legitimate experts, who are highly decorated, with plenty of experience. That is irrefutable. Their opinions, HAVE to carry weight in the discussion. To simply dismiss them, because the pilot forum said so, seems odd.

BTW you know the supposed terrorist who was a "bad" actually had an instrument rating, making him a much better pilot than me, even if he wasn't the best?
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Lol, errr so? I didn't realise you were the yardstick, against which good pilots are measured?

And again, he had an instrument rating, so? I know people who've got a full UK driving license, with the additional Pass Plus bit. Doesn't mean to say they'd be capable of performing high speed manoeuvres, through chicanes, in an F1 car.

Anyway, that's me done. I can't be bothered to go through all this again.

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Ok then. You stick to believing strangers on an Internet forum & I'll stick to believing what actual real experts say :thumbsup:
 
rigsby said:
Had a beer over Christmas with a friend of mine from school. Guess what he's a commercial pilot and we discussed 9/11. He said if you had their level of experience and lots of flight sim practice then you could possibly pull off the twin towers if you did not over correct.

Not the pentagon as we have been told. Turning at those speeds, the plane could easily break-up. Again possible if you got lucky and went straight down into the middle of the building. But to come down at the angle they said at that speed and then after you have clipped lamp posts you would not be able to level out 500 tonnes of Boeing without ploughing straight into the ground.
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The Pilotsfor911truth lot recreated the flight path using some fancy technology. Long story short, they proclaimed that it would have been impossible to bring the plane down, level with the penthouse, without smashing it into the floor. With the plane dropping at such a high speed, it would have required 39G's to correct it & bring it on course for the Pentagon. 39G's is impossible
 
rigsby said:
What about you Pubey do you think we were lied to over Iraq or Bin Laden
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Considering it's been about 14 years since Condoleeza Rice promised the world, that the authorities would release the definitive proof that Bin Laden was responsible, And it still looks no closer to coming to fruition, I'd say there's a possible chance the public were lied to.
 
rigsby said:
Do you believe Tony Blair knowingly lied about WMD or that Condoleezza Rice knowingly lied when she hinted that Saddam was very close to having a nuclear bomb
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Dunno. What is this, the Spanish Inquisition?

Like LB, I think this thread has got the mixture of boring, repetitive and side-tracked as they tend to on here. Not sure what's to be gained by continuing to post because every time someone makes a decent point, it's ignored and something else is brought up.
 
Pubey said:
Dunno. What is this, the Spanish Inquisition?

Like LB, I think this thread has got the mixture of boring, repetitive and side-tracked as they tend to on here. Not sure what's to be gained by continuing to post because every time someone makes a decent point, it's ignored and something else is brought up.
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Correct. I've seen lots of excellent points made, that have been ignored & brushed aside
 
Pubey said:
Dunno. What is this, the Spanish Inquisition?

Like LB, I think this thread has got the mixture of boring, repetitive and side-tracked as they tend to on here. Not sure what's to be gained by continuing to post because every time someone makes a decent point, it's ignored and something else is brought up.
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So your quite happy to come on this thread and mock. But now that you have been asked a straight forward question you can't answer......because far from being boring this thread asking more and more questions that you and your fellow debunkers can't answer.

Perhaps you voted for Blair, so to borrow a line from another post of yours...its you who feels a bit sheepish now.
 
rigsby said:
So your quite happy to come on this thread and mock. But now that you have been asked a straight forward question you can't answer......because far from being boring this thread asking more and more questions that you and your fellow debunkers can't answer.

Perhaps you voted for Blair, so to borrow a line from another post of yours...its you who feels a bit sheepish now.
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I've happily answered questions, and said "I don't know" when I don't know something. If I've ignored something then it's for no other reason than I'm really busy at the moment and unlike some (not necessarily on this thread) I don't feel I have to post and reply to everything, and don't act entitled if someone doesn't reply to me.

I never voted for Blair, and yet again I don't know what that's got to do about this thread.

Any more questions?
 
Pubey said:
I've happily answered questions, and said "I don't know" when I don't know something. If I've ignored something then it's for no other reason than I'm really busy at the moment and unlike some (not necessarily on this thread) I don't feel I have to post and reply to everything, and don't act entitled if someone doesn't reply to me.

I never voted for Blair, and yet again I don't know what that's got to do about this thread.

Any more questions?
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When posters like you and Londonblue and others come under stress you lot always say "I'm busy" even though you spend your life on the inter web,just saying like.
 
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