Dale farm evictions "may breach human rights"

[Berrichonne shrimper]

inert,loving that word biggly wiggly,the council offered them 100 mil but they said no we want 3,classic press picking again.

 

[Supernaut]

As has already been said if that was the case they would have sodded off long since.

I've had a read through most of today's papers, and they are all saying the inert travellers wanted 6 million to move off bag and baggage and probably try this stunt on another council in England or Scotland. So it would seem their motives aren't quite so altruistic as claimed, it all comes down to cash.

I heard some dude claiming to be speaking on behalf of the Dale Farm mob being interviewd on BBC Esssex this morning. He said they asked for 6 mill, and that was later dropped to 3 mill. Reckoned they wanted to 'save taxpayer's money'! The interviewer pointed out that the council refused to pay as they didn't want the travellers to be seen to be making a profit from their illegal activities. The interviewer then asked what they paid for the site, and why they thought it was now worth 3 mill to the council. He wouldn't say what they paid, but he reckons the site has been 'developed to suit the travellers needs' and claimed that 'you can't put a price on that'.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I happen to think that civil disobedience can sometimes be justified.

Especially when it's directed towards the noble aim of getting a new plasma telly.

No.But in the case(s) of Rosa Parks,Selma,Alabama and a bit closer to home Grosvenor Square,Saltley,Grunwick and non-payment of the poll tax(and I'm sure in a host of other examples)civil disobedience was fully justified IMO.

 

[canveyshrimper]

I heard some dude claiming to be speaking on behalf of the Dale Farm mob being interviewd on BBC Esssex this morning. He said they asked for 6 mill, and that was later dropped to 3 mill. Reckoned they wanted to 'save taxpayer's money'! The interviewer pointed out that the council refused to pay as they didn't want the travellers to be seen to be making a profit from their illegal activities. The interviewer then asked what they paid for the site, and why they thought it was now worth 3 mill to the council. He wouldn't say what they paid, but he reckons the site has been 'developed to suit the travellers needs' and claimed that 'you can't put a price on that'.

To quote Jim Royle - my arse!!
I think I've seen somewhere that the inert travellers paid 120k for the site, they've since converted into a khazi.

 

[canveyshrimper]

No.But it was justified in the case(s) of Rosa Parks,Selma,Alabama and a bit closer to home Grosvenor Square ,Saltley,Grunwick and non-payment of the poll tax(and I'm sure in a host of other examples)civil disobedience was fully justified IMO.

Grunwick worked a treat didn't it? And Saltley, but of course that was in support of an illegal strike called by Scargill.
The Community Charge is another issue that could well deserve a thread of it's own, the basic premise of it was fine, every working person over the age of 18 paying for local services and the upkeep of parks, libraries, community centres etc. However the administration of it was unfair.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Grunwick worked a treat didn't it? And Saltley, but of course that was in support of an illegal strike called by Scargill.
The Community Charge is another issue that could well deserve a thread of it's own, the basic premise of it was fine, every working person over the age of 18 paying for local services and the upkeep of parks, libraries, community centres etc. However the administration of it was unfair.

On a couple of early mornings when I was there it certainly did, when the miners turned up en masse.The miners strike wasn't illegal btw it was unofficial(not the same thing at all).

 

[Napster]

On a couple of early mornings when I was there it certainly did, when the miners turned up en masse.

Shouldn't they have been at school at that age?

 

[canveyshrimper]

On a couple of early mornings when I was there it certainly did, when the miners turned up en masse.The miners strike wasn't illegal btw it was unofficial(not the same thing at all).

All the secondary picketing did was to ensure that Labour were unelectable for a generation, and a few thugs coming down from Yorkshire to bellow Scab at all and sundry didn't work as I recall Grunwick carried on trading without having a Union at their premises.

Ok, the miners strike was unofficial, how "King Arthur" took the decision to arbitrarily take the Yorkshire and some other areas out on strike without a vote which was against the laws that the Government had introduced governing strike action. Therefore technically it was illegal.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

No.But in the case(s) of Rosa Parks,Selma,Alabama and a bit closer to home Grosvenor Square,Saltley,Grunwick and non-payment of the poll tax(and I'm sure in a host of other examples)civil disobedience was fully justified IMO.

She should have gotten her *** to the back of the damn bus.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

All the secondary picketing did was to ensure that Labour were unelectable for a generation, and a few thugs coming down from Yorkshire to bellow Scab at all and sundry didn't work as I recall Grunwick carried on trading without having a Union at their premises..

They weren't thugs,they were working miners.And there weren't just a few of them, there were hundreds if not thousands.They stopped the coaches getting through,so on the few days when was a genuine mass picket the tactic did work.
Your opening and closing comments are on the money however.

 

[Shrimper]

Does anyone actually think that the Travellers would've left if they had been given the money? I don't think they would've, they probably would just decided to stay and use the money to install defences.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

She should have gotten her *** to the back of the damn bus.

but she didn't, and she inspired change despite the fact that decades later some people can't grasp that small acts of standing up to something that is wrong can create big changes. Luckily most can grasp that basic principle.
However if your comment had come from a red neck cartoon we would all have laughed at the red neck cartoon saying out dated red neck things and given each other knowing glances that mean 'how queer the world was back then', and sighs of relief that no one really thinks like that anymore, except red neck cartoons.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

A brief History of America

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She should have gotten her *** to the back of the damn bus.

Here's the extract from South Park(used in Bowling for Columbine)that I often show in my classes.My students enjoy it.I Hope you will.:winking:

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I preferred 'Birth of a Nation'. Cheers.

 

[Davros]

Apparently a group of travellers has today arrived and set up next to Macdonalds on Festival Leisure Park.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Someone said the other day that on the news you always see the traveller wives and kids, outsiders, but not the men of Dale Farm. It turns out that some of them have homes in Wolverhampton and other places up North, and are claiming benefits under a different name. So obviously they can't show their face. A lot of them have committed various scams. So they can't show their face. What a shame that they seem immune from prosecution for benefit fraud. After all, it was brought to light in the Echo investigation last year, into benefit fraud, the use of different aliases, and the use of the vulnerable as working slaves at Dale Farm. Is Dale Farm a no go area for authorities or something. How do they get away with things that you or I would be banged up for.

 

[class]

Someone said the other day that on the news you always see the traveller wives and kids, outsiders, but not the men of Dale Farm. It turns out that some of them have homes in Wolverhampton and other places up North, and are claiming benefits under a different name. So obviously they can't show their face. A lot of them have committed various scams. So they can't show their face. What a shame that they seem immune from prosecution for benefit fraud. After all, it was brought to light in the Echo investigation last year, into benefit fraud, the use of different aliases, and the use of the vulnerable as working slaves at Dale Farm. Is Dale Farm a no go area for authorities or something. How do they get away with things that you or I would be banged up for.

Completely agree, but no doubt the great unwashed from the left side of the wing will say that they have rights too! Beggars belief....:sad:

 

[steveo]

illegal strike called by Scargill.

Scargill, lol. What a loser that bloke was.

 

[canveyshrimper]

Scargill, lol. What a loser that bloke was.

Indeed he was, but not as much his NUM membership and families who's lives "King Arthur" destroyed, who's families he destroyed, who's jobs he eventually destroyed and finally who's homes they lost. Yet this mealy mouthed hypocrite is still trying to keep the grace and favour NUM flat that he thinks is his right to keep.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I preferred 'Birth of a Nation'. Cheers.

Correctly described as " a cinematic milestone marred by its unfortunate fondness for the Ku Klux Klan" by Mark Kermode.
Btw,there's a hilarious section on the KKK 's origins in that South Park clip.
As for DW Griffith,I much prefer his The Great Train Robbery,which I saw in a film studies/GS class at WHS.The short which pioneered the concept of parallel development.

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(Best played silently).