Dale farm evictions "may breach human rights"

[Crabby Shrimper]

I know this is off topic, but I have a genuine issue with this. You tell a group of kids something is anonymous, and then discuss their responses with them. Can you not see that that is simply wrong?

have to confess, that did strike a chord with me too

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Glad we've established that, but it doesn't answer my question.

Ok.No,I don't always answer a question with a question but I sometimes answer a statement with another statement.:hilarious:
(Shrimpero's not the only one in the family with a sense of humour):winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

(as Jimi Hendrix said):-Move over Rover.:winking:

 

[canveyshrimper]

Ok.No,I don't always answer a question with a question but I sometimes answer a statement with another statement.:hilarious:
(Shrimpero's not the only one in the family with a sense of humour):winking:

I know, I've met PC Spooner on many occasions.

 

[OldBlueLady]

have to confess, that did strike a chord with me too

Sorry, should have said that they were allowed to complete it anonymously if they wished, which most didn't anyway.

FWIW,it's obvious you're an intelligent and articulate woman.You're also,obviously,passionate and professional about what you do.I've read many of your posts on education with great interest.I've also wondered how a former WHSG pupil ended up as a TA.I'd assumed "hard knocks" was the reason and don't dispute the value of your experience,either.It's just that I happen to think you're wrong on this one.

Not that I see it's relevant but I went from A-levels to an 18 year career in Midland/HSBC Bank in the City, Nowich, then locally, and then after having children and wanting something that fitted in with their holidays, into pre-school practitioning, acquiring relevant NVQ and then into school as an LSA.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

You missed my point entirely. Their background gets in the way of their education. Nothing to do with anything else. Children who turn up maybe 2 days a week, who have accompanying issues do NOT make progress because they miss too much schooling. When they do present at school, the staff have their teaching time disrupted because of the social issues. Frequently illiterate parents are unable to support the school at home and do not enforce, by any stretch, any of the strategies school puts in place. The teachers fight a constantly losing battle and as everything in education is based on results, is it any wonder that the particular school most of the Dale Farm kids go to will rather be looking forward to reclaiming the school for children from more stable backgrounds?

Superb post OBL.
This gives a little insight on traveller children and school.


Vast majority leave without getting any qualifications

THE vast majority of Traveller children drop out of post-primary school early and without qualifications, Department of Education and Science chief inspector Eamon Stack says.

He has expressed concern at the low achievements of Traveller children in literacy and numeracy.

"Although irregular school attendance compounds the problem, it does not fully explain why these low levels of achievement still persist," he says.

"Poor skills in literacy and numeracy on leaving primary school restrict the choice of subjects and the level at which these subjects are studied by Traveller students in post-primary schools."

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Mr Stack's comments are made in a foreword to a survey on traveller education provision in Irish schools.

As disclosed in the Irish Independent last month, the report reveals that almost half of the 7,300 Traveller pupils in primary schools have serious reading difficulties, while almost two-thirds are at the lowest numeracy levels.

At primary level they are missing for about 20% of the school year, while post-primary students are on average missing for half of the year.

Only one in 10 of these children finishes post-primary schooling.

The enrolment of Traveller students is concentrated in a relatively small number of schools and almost half of those are designated as disadvantaged. In Dublin, 95% of schools that have Travellers enrolled are disadvantaged schools.

Some of the parents interviewed felt that their children achieved satisfactory attendance when they went to school for two or three days each week. They also said that consistent school attendance was difficult for many families who live in unsatisfactory conditions.

"The parents were anxious to stress the effort they had to make each day to get children ready for school buses without access to adequate washing and other amenities. They believed that the objective of attending school each day was hard to achieve in such circumstances.

One mother said "I have 10 children and seven are at school. I am lucky to be able to get five of them off in time and the older two boys decide for themselves whether to go to school or stay at home."

Traveller parents suggested some solutions for the problem of poor attendance. Firstly, they considered that Traveller boys required a "more heavy hand" and proposed that male teachers should teach them. They felt that some Traveller boys resented being directed and censured by female teachers, and this resulted in situations of conflict and confrontation.

Secondly, parents felt that a new education and training module should be devised whereby adolescent Traveller boys could spend shared time between the school and a training centre. That way useful skills would be acquired and the boys would be more likely to complete the Junior Certificate. Thirdly, the report says, parents suggested that schools should use continuous assessment methods to gauge students' work, so that individual effort would not be entirely dependent on exam success.

- John Walshe


I've always wondered why they are allowed to drop out of school between 11 and 14 years old. If a non traveller child did this, the parent(s) would be dealt with harshly. Some have been sent to prison for allowing their child to stay at home or miss most of the school year. Taking exams and getting qualifications, doesn't seem to be on the menu.

I am all for their right to have a good education, although I feel sorry for the schools that have to do it. I just wish they would attend the whole school years like we all had to. Otherwise it seems like their parents are sending them there to learn to read and write, and then pulling them out. It's just abusing and using the system.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

This gives a little insight on traveller children and school.
Vast majority leave without getting any qualifications

Much more significantly(IMO),so many years after the 1944 Education Act,the vast majority of working class children in the UK, still leave school with very few or no educational qualifications,whatsoever.This is a national scandal(IMO).

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I know, I've met PC Spooner on many occasions.

Ha!I'm funnier than cousin Richard anyday.I was also a better :footballer: too!

 

[Napster]

A politics thread with Barnablue?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It strikes me that this thread is just going to go round in circles until after September 19th.Perhaps we should just adjourn until then?:unsure:

 

[Rob Noxious]

It strikes me that this thread is just going to go round in circles until after September 19th.Perhaps we should just adjourn until then?:unsure:

This thread should not be adjourned as this might breach the human rights of fellow travellers who are following these discussions closely.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Isn't breaking the law morally wrong?

I happen to think that civil disobedience can sometimes be justified.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I happen to think that civil disobedience can sometimes be justified.

Especially when it's directed towards the noble aim of getting a new plasma telly.

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

Yet again the ones that preach don not bring up facts that tar the cause with the ****** stick.
MICKS DEMAND 6 MILLION TO LEAVE,hello,can some one give common sense a call please.

 

[osymandus]

Yet again the ones that preach don not bring up facts that tar the cause with the ****** stick.
MICKS DEMAND 6 MILLION TO LEAVE,hello,can some one give common sense a call please.

Actually they wanted 3 the council offered them 6 .

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

Actually they wanted 3 the council offered them 6 .

96(FAMILYS) X £62.500 = 6 MIL ,council are only allowed by law to offer the going rate,but hey you make it up as you go along.

 

[Holy Joe]

Actually they wanted 3 the council offered them 6 .

They wanted 3 and were offered 6 - why are they still there then?

 

[davewebbsbrain]

They wanted 3 and were offered 6 - why are they still there then?

Because they didn't learn maths in school apparently

 

[Napster]

Because they didn't learn maths in school apparently

Not enough TAs?

 

[canveyshrimper]

Actually they wanted 3 the council offered them 6 .

As has already been said if that was the case they would have sodded off long since.

I've had a read through most of today's papers, and they are all saying the inert travellers wanted 6 million to move off bag and baggage and probably try this stunt on another council in England or Scotland. So it would seem their motives aren't quite so altruistic as claimed, it all comes down to cash.