Dale farm evictions "may breach human rights"

[blues_r_best]

To save millions of pounds of public money in a period of auserity?Also, because what they're planning to do is morally wrong(IMO).

If they hadn't have built on the land illegally then the council wouldn't need to spend the money.

 

[OldBlueLady]

To save millions of pounds of public money in a period of auserity?Also, because what they're planning to do is morally wrong(IMO).

And what they ACTUALLY did that was wrong should be allowed to go unpunished? :omg: I'm sorry, you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you believe that.

 

[Shrimper]

To save millions of pounds of public money in a period of auserity?Also, because what they're planning to do is morally wrong(IMO).

I really don't understand people that back the travellers. They've broken the law and been given more than enough time to move on. It's not morally wrong, it's called abiding by the law. They apparently have land near Wolverhampton, **** off there. The people that seem to stand on the side of the travellers would soon change their mind if they had to live with them in their city, province, village ect.

 

[pickledseal]

We live in hope.

What coppers? Bailiffs? I bet they are ******** themselves about this.

Given I now live pretty close by, I've been quite surprised by local support. I'm sure it may be different in Crays Hill itself... Must be weird in the primary school knowing you are potentially about to loose half your students!

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

To save millions of pounds of public money in a period of auserity?Also, because what they're planning to do is morally wrong(IMO).

The only reason it's costing that money is that they will not accept the courts' decisions and won't go peacefully. No other reason. TBH it would be morally wrong not to evict IMHO.

 

[OldBlueLady]

What coppers? Bailiffs? I bet they are ******** themselves about this.

Given I now live pretty close by, I've been quite surprised by local support. I'm sure it may be different in Crays Hill itself... Must be weird in the primary school knowing you are potentially about to loose half your students!

Let loose perhaps Andy! :winking: But I think you mean lose, and it might mean that particular school can begin to attract children who will actually do something towards giving the teaching staff valid reasons to bother turning up for work rather than acting as social workers/babysitters/carers.

 

[canveyshrimper]

To save millions of pounds of public money in a period of auserity?Also, because what they're planning to do is morally wrong(IMO).

Isn't breaking the law morally wrong?

 

[Thorpe Groyney]

So how many day centres and other services throughout Basildon will be forced to close or cut back simply because the council has ring fenced local taxpayers money to part pay for the eviction?

How many peaceful, law abiding citizens in and around Basildon, who have never done anything wrong, and have nothing to do with Dale Farm, will be unfairly penalised because of that?

It's very easy to sit in front of a laptop and talk nobly of upholding the law when you neither have to pay for it or be affected by any potential cuts in services because of it.

 

[Berrichonne shrimper]

Its very easy to also spout off at those that dont tow the line of your view point but at the end of the day(it gets dark) it is down to the non moving irish folks that your said things will loose funding and not us cyber warriors,just for your profile painting i cant afford a lap top but use a tower thingy and keyboard.

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[Crabby Shrimper]

If you let one crime pass because it'd be too expensive to enforce it, then how much would it cost us all when others also decide to break said law?

I can't believe that people honestly believe we should pick and choose which laws we uphold. I bet were the guilty parties bankers then we'd have these same people telling us to "string 'em up"

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

And what they ACTUALLY did that was wrong should be allowed to go unpunished? :omg: I'm sorry, you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you believe that.

Cloud cuckoo land is actually quite a nice place to live.:tumbleweed:
Btw,I'm sure you're familiar with the expression that two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[class]

Cloud cuckoo land is actually quite a nice place to live.:tumbleweed:

Perhaps the 'do as they likey's' will **** off there then.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Cloud cuckoo land is actually quite a nice place to live.:tumbleweed:
Btw,I'm sure you're familiar with the expression that two wrongs don't make a right.

Of course I am, but what the authorities are doing is not wrong...it's upholding and enforcing the law. Just because the residents are with no shadow of a doubt the wrong side of the law on this occasion, for once they can't hide behind it and therefore will have to suffer the full force of it. Let's not forget that it's they by their refusal to leave that are the ones causing the costs to escalate so forcing them out now will save money in the long term. How can you possibly defend them?

So how many day centres and other services throughout Basildon will be forced to close or cut back simply because the council has ring fenced local taxpayers money to part pay for the eviction?

How many peaceful, law abiding citizens in and around Basildon, who have never done anything wrong, and have nothing to do with Dale Farm, will be unfairly penalised because of that?

It's very easy to sit in front of a laptop and talk nobly of upholding the law when you neither have to pay for it or be affected by any potential cuts in services because of it.

Groyney!!! I'm quite sure that the costs of this will be foisted across the board on the good people of Essex, not just the inhabitants of Basildon! I mean Lord Hanningfield won't be costing us so much anymore will he?! :winking:

 

[pickledseal]

Groyney!!! I'm quite sure that the costs of this will be foisted across the board on the good people of Essex, not just the inhabitants of Basildon! I mean Lord Hanningfield won't be costing us so much anymore will he?! :winking:

I believe it's Basildon District Council with a few small grants (Government giving about £1m) so I think it will be mainly the people of Basildon...

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Let loose perhaps Andy! :winking: But I think you mean lose, and it might mean that particular school can begin to attract children who will actually do something towards giving the teaching staff valid reasons to bother turning up for work rather than acting as social workers/babysitters/carers.

Is this tongue in cheek?Even so, I think it's pretty shocking opinion for a TA to hold(IMO).Don't all children,irrespective of background(and that includes travellers children I hope)deserve the right to a decent standard of education?
FWIW,I saw a couple of the Dale Farm kids interviewed on the box last week.They seemed pretty well balanced to me, although understandably upset that they were likely to lose contact with their schoolmates and the area where they'd been brought up and developed roots.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Of course I am, but what the authorities are doing is not wrong...it's upholding and enforcing the law. Just because the residents are with no shadow of a doubt the wrong side of the law on this occasion, for once they can't hide behind it and therefore will have to suffer the full force of it. Let's not forget that it's they by their refusal to leave that are the ones causing the costs to escalate so forcing them out now will save money in the long term. How can you possibly defend them?

For reasons I've advanced elsewhere on this thread(and which I'm not going to rehash here).I suggest you scroll back and read the whole thread from the beginning(as I have).It's fascinating stuff-sociologically speaking of course.:winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Isn't breaking the law morally wrong?

Do you always observe the speed limit to the letter?

 

[canveyshrimper]

Do you always observe the speed limit to the letter?

Do you always answer a question with another question?

To answer yours absolutely, as I no longer drive. :raspberry:

 

[OldBlueLady]

Is this tongue in cheek?Even so, I think it's pretty shocking opinion for a TA to hold(IMO).Don't all children,irrespective of background(and that includes travellers children I hope)deserve the right to a decent standard of education?
FWIW,I saw a couple of the Dale Farm kids interviewed on the box last week.They seemed pretty well balanced to me, although understandably upset that they were likely to lose contact with their schoolmates and the area where they'd been brought up and developed roots.

You missed my point entirely. Their background gets in the way of their education. Nothing to do with anything else. Children who turn up maybe 2 days a week, who have accompanying issues do NOT make progress because they miss too much schooling. When they do present at school, the staff have their teaching time disrupted because of the social issues. Frequently illiterate parents are unable to support the school at home and do not enforce, by any stretch, any of the strategies school puts in place. The teachers fight a constantly losing battle and as everything in education is based on results, is it any wonder that the particular school most of the Dale Farm kids go to will rather be looking forward to reclaiming the school for children from more stable backgrounds?

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Do you always answer a question with another question?

To answer yours absolutely, as I no longer drive. :raspberry:

Something we have in common then.:whistling: