Dale farm evictions "may breach human rights"

[canveyshrimper]

I agree , it was a **** up on both sides (well more illegal intent on the travellers ;)). But it had been stated that the council could have sorted this yes about 10 years at far less cost .

You are right about the council (and previous ones) they've buried their heads in the sand in the hope the "travellers" would travel, but apparently they aren't travellers after all.

 

[OldBlueLady]

Enough is enough, until I see local people standing alongside them and defending their "rights" I won't feel one scrap of sympathy for them. No, the only people defending them are those who a) like to cause trouble from afar or b) stand to make money out of the legal case - neither of whom have any relevance to the actual case. These people have been offered alternatives, they are choosing NOT to take them.

 

[Holy Joe]

Actually while they are there illegally , it has never been greenbelt land (it was mentioned in court it is not green belt reporters just keep adding it )

http://www.basildon.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=587&p=0

Don't think it was a field but the land IS within the greenbelt.

 

[Shrimper]

I agree , it was a **** up on both sides (well more illegal intent on the travellers ;)). But it had been stated that the council could have sorted this yes about 10 years at far less cost .

The travellers could've sorted this out themselves as well by going through the correct legal process. Oh, that map is from 1998 as well. Bit old and irrelevant.

 

[pickledseal]

The travellers could've sorted this out themselves as well by going through the correct legal process. Oh, that map is from 1998 as well. Bit old and irrelevant.

Rejection of planning permissions:
Settled community ~10% of applications
Travellers ~70%
(Not sure where I read that)

My friend visited on Friday and said 50+ anarchists have now arrived, which travellers are not overly pleased about. I think people are going to end up getting killed during this eviction.

 

[Holy Joe]

The travellers could've sorted this out themselves as well by going through the correct legal process. Oh, that map is from 1998 as well. Bit old and irrelevant.

The map is not irrelevant - it is the current local plan. The land is in the green belt.

Try this link if need more proof...

http://www.basildon.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3976&faqdetailid=4013&inplace=true
Dale Farm has been the subject of Green Belt control since 1982 when the Government extended the boundaries eastwards towards Southend-on-Sea.

Green Belt designation predates all existing traveller site developments and imposes strict controls on the activities that can take place there. This restricts use of the land to activities like agriculture, allotments and horse rearing.
There is a long history of breaches of planning control on this green belt site. The Council, Planning Inspectors and various Secretaries of State have all rejected appeals against refusal of planning permission or the service of enforcement notices.
Occupation of the site contrary to enforcement notices is a criminal offence.

 

[osymandus]

http://www.basildon.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=587&p=0

Don't think it was a field but the land IS within the greenbelt.

It might be technically in it but the court stated the location itself was not covered as greenbelt lan (it was an old scrap yard be like classing roots hall as green belt ;))

Anyone got a link to teh court transcript im basing the technically not on it on a report from the BBC local news (verbally they stated the farm state was not covered as protected green belt ;))

 

[Shrimper]

Better map

http://www.basildon.gov.uk/media/image/k/h/Green_Belt_Map620x550.jpg

Green Belt.

 

[osymandus]

Better map

http://www.basildon.gov.uk/media/image/k/h/Green_Belt_Map620x550.jpg

Green Belt.

For illustrative purposes, does say down the bottom another map must be used for accurate specific areas ;)

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I think people are going to end up getting killed during this eviction.

We live in hope.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

No it is isn't it's about a group of people who have built on green belt land without the appropriate planning permission, therefore they and the structures they have erected are illegal.

On green belt land,which incidentally they themselves own.It would save Basildon Council,The Police and the taxpayer millions of pounds if they just withdrew their eviction order on the residents of Dale farm.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

On green belt land,which incidentally they themselves own.It would save Basildon Council,The Police and the taxpayer millions of pounds if they just withdrew their eviction order on the residents of Dale farm.

It seems to be a reflexive response for the Left to capitulate to the lawless and the barbaric.

 

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

At the end of the day, there are lots of people all around Britain that have built on land without planning permission. They are hauled up before the Court. Nearly all face Court Costs and have to remove the offending building or whatever at further cost.
Why should there be an exception for travellers?

 

[MK Shrimper]

It seems to be a reflexive response for the Left to capitulate to the lawless and the barbaric.

Sounds like Dangerous Dave's Bullingdon Club to me.

 

[Holy Joe]

On green belt land,which incidentally they themselves own.It would save Basildon Council,The Police and the taxpayer millions of pounds if they just withdrew their eviction order on the residents of Dale farm.

Just to be pedantic no one is actually being evicted. It is a planning enforcement not a recovery of property.

 

[canveyshrimper]

On green belt land,which incidentally they themselves own.It would save Basildon Council,The Police and the taxpayer millions of pounds if they just withdrew their eviction order on the residents of Dale farm.

Why should the Council & OB back down? They aren't in the wrong.
Nobody is disputing the "travellers" own the land, the dispute is they have built illegally on it.

 

[Holy Joe]

For illustrative purposes, does say down the bottom another map must be used for accurate specific areas ;)

Which is the map I linked to earlier - clearly showing green belt land. There are plenty of businesses (and houses) within the Green belt - it doesn't have to be a field. Areas within the greenbelt are subject to more stringent planning restrictions. I think the legal settlement is on the scrap yard site - not sure about the illegal part.

Just found this...
http://www.basildon.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3976&faqdetailid=4014&inplace=true
[h=1]Was the site previously used as a Scrap Yard?[/h]The use of a small parcel of land in the north-east corner of Dale Farm as a scrap yard was established without planning permission in the early 1960's.

It was by the time it came to the Council's attention immune from enforcement action. An established use certificate was issued by the Council in 1978, in accordance with the 1971 Town and Country Planning Act which confirmed its immunity from Enforcement Action. A Lawful Development Certificate in accordance with the 1990 Act was issued by the Council in 1993. This reaffirmed that the scrap yard was immune from enforcement action.
The use of the land as a scrap yard ceased in 2001 and the ensuing change in use to a traveller site has resulted in the abandonment of the scrap yard use. Any alternative use or reinstatement of the scrap yard once the travellers have been removed from the land will require planning permission. Planning permission will not be granted for any use that is not compatible with the land's Green Belt status.




So it is incorrect to think that all of Dale Farm used to be a scrap yard

 

[Holy Joe]

19th Sept is enforcement date.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/uk...7THng25fdl6ZnOQTg?docId=N0196731315212745062A

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

This would be my solution:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Why should the Council & OB back down? They aren't in the wrong.
Nobody is disputing the "travellers" own the land, the dispute is they have built illegally on it.

To save millions of pounds of public money in a period of auserity?Also, because what they're planning to do is morally wrong(IMO).