Coronavirus (Non-Politics)

[Member]

Glad to hear you and the missus got through it, and are now ok.

I’ve seen various reports suggesting that those who catch this virus, aren’t necessarily guaranteed to build up the immunity against it, and there are reports out there, of the same people catching it twice.

In those reports it's not clear if the viral load was fully cleared after the index infection, especially given constraints on testing and inability to do good quality research during a pandemic.
There's a lot that isn't known still, and everything is pinned on our ability to establish immunity via a vaccine. Clearly, if some people are susceptible to reinfection then herd immunity in the population is required to protect them. Fingers crossed

 

[Blue Yonder]

Yes. There are no guarantees of immunity or the length of it. We’ve got to hope that there is and hopefully we can get involved with the NHS blood transfusion project and that will help in the future.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

A friend’s mother got admitted to hospital, was on oxygen and got discharged 2 days later on a course of antibiotics. They had symptoms, they were tested and came back negative. However...they were told the tests aren’t 100% reliable and they still thought she’d had it. All seems very random and not sure who gets tested and at which point.

So, Sir Patrick Vallance was correct when he said something like a bad test was as bad as no test.

 

[Green Wizard]

If you cannot get immunity by previous infection surely a vaccine would be ineffectual as they work in the same way or am I overlooking something?

 

[GBJ]

In those reports it's not clear if the viral load was fully cleared after the index infection, especially given constraints on testing and inability to do good quality research during a pandemic.
There's a lot that isn't known still, and everything is pinned on our ability to establish immunity via a vaccine. Clearly, if some people are susceptible to reinfection then herd immunity in the population is required to protect them. Fingers crossed

Aye. So I’m essence, nobody should believe they’re in the clear right now, as there simply isn’t enough evidence to support that.

 

[RHB]

It seems to me that it's about just being sensible when visiting supermarkets. We have tried both approaches, single and together. My wife doesn't drive so I have to take her to a supermarket anyway. What I have found is that together we have split what we need to get between us and actually are running solo, albeit into the same trolley. What I can definitely say is that together we are quicker in and out, thus letting others into the shop from the queue quicker than if we had one person doing all the shopping. Like I say, be sensible, and one size doesn't fit all. And at the end of all that I don't know what anyone else's circumstances are therefore I ain't going to criticise anyone arbitarily.

 

[londonblue]

In those reports it's not clear if the viral load was fully cleared after the index infection, especially given constraints on testing and inability to do good quality research during a pandemic.
There's a lot that isn't known still, and everything is pinned on our ability to establish immunity via a vaccine. Clearly, if some people are susceptible to reinfection then herd immunity in the population is required to protect them. Fingers crossed

Could it also be that the first (or second time) time around they simply didn't have it, but had something else? That is assuming (of course) that they weren't tested both times they developed symptoms.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Could the virus not mutate into something less harmful? This is what some people believe happened to the Spanish Flu. It vanished in a matter of weeks from many cities.

 

[GNH]

Could the virus not mutate into something less harmful? This is what some people believe happened to the Spanish Flu. It vanished in a matter of weeks from many cities.

One thing for certain is that it will mutate, it already is. The one thing that's not clear is whether that will weaken or strengthen it, though the former is more likely.

Little bit of info below on this.

Mutation

 

[jarvisyeh]

Glad to hear you and the missus got through it, and are now ok.

I’ve seen various reports suggesting that those who catch this virus, aren’t necessarily guaranteed to build up the immunity against it, and there are reports out there, of the same people catching it twice.

I have had chicken pox 3 times and the great majority of people only ever get that once.

It could be a similar sort of thing with these cases, but as has been discussed, there isn't the information to efficiently say either way at the moment.

 

[C'mon you Shrimpers]

my wife found this website that gives a figure for the number of deaths per million population. I thought it was fascinating. Much much too early to make any conclusions and predictably today an Oxford academic is now saying we should have been like Sweden and the government panicked to lock down too quickly??!!.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

so basically Belgium and Spain have the highest death rate in Europe by some way (excluding Andorra and San Marino)

 

[OldBlueLady]

I have had chicken pox 3 times and the great majority of people only ever get that once.

It could be a similar sort of thing with these cases, but as has been discussed, there isn't the information to efficiently say either way at the moment.

Yes, I've had it twice, the 2nd time much more mildly.

 

[jarvisyeh]

Yes, I've had it twice, the 2nd time much more mildly.

Mine went the opposite. I was young when I had it the first two times but the third time was the worst. I still have scars from it now.

 

[Feathers]

my wife found this website that gives a figure for the number of deaths per million population. I thought it was fascinating. Much much too early to make any conclusions and predictably today an Oxford academic is now saying we should have been like Sweden and the government panicked to lock down too quickly??!!.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

so basically Belgium and Spain have the highest death rate in Europe by some way (excluding Andorra and San Marino)

And no doubt there are other academics saying we reacted too slowly.

Sweden has a very low population spread over a large area so easier to prevent the spread. Belgium on the other hand has a very dense population so no surprise they have a high death rate by population count.

Spain's death rate is greatly influenced by Madrid. We know London, not surprisingly, has also had the highest infection rate in the UK and I think had we waited any longer to enforce the lockdown the position would have been far worse and the NHS in London overwhelmed.

 

[Blue Yonder]

If you cannot get immunity by previous infection surely a vaccine would be ineffectual as they work in the same way or am I overlooking something?

We don't know you cant get infection induced immunity its just not certain so those of us who have had the virus have to remain vigilant. Because we are on a journey into the unknown just as there is little evidence yet for immunity or how long that immunity will last there is also not much evidence for people catching the virus twice. For obvious reasons that's the stat I'm taking hope from. For reasons too complex for me apparently vaccine induced immunity will be stronger than infection induced immunity (see Professor Sarah Gilbert Oxford University). So overall no one is certain about anything and we live our lives based on the majority expert opinion. Not much help I guess Green Wizard but I'm not a professor.

 

[ms brush]

Regardless of all of this, i am sick of being treated like some kind of one eyed leper because i am in a town that seems to suffer from stupidity (ok i get people are scared). But there needs to be a bit of publicity outlining the difference between hayfever symptoms and covid. It isn't difficult ffs, it is hayfecer season, the trees are all flowering and the place is surrounded by fields of flowering rape seed. It makes me sneeze, my eyes run and it makes me grumpy. And i am stuck in the middle of it because it isnt necessary, according to some arbitrary rule, to go to the coast, where there is half a chance of some relief!!

I have had rude comments from people made twice this week, once when i left a local shop with a box of anti histamine tablets in my hand, and the second when i was sitting on my own garden. Why do people put 2 + 2 together, and come up with 7 then assume it is ok to be abusive?

Off topic i know, i and I am very mindful of the seriousness of all this. But seriously, other problems are still going on too.

Rant over.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Just had a team "meeting", and one of my colleagues is from Hong Kong. Whilst he was in the supermarket, some moron vandalised his car and sprayed racist grafitti on the window screen. He's now too frightened to leave his house.

****s of the highest order.

 

[Member]

Just had a team "meeting", and one of my colleagues is from Hong Kong. Whilst he was in the supermarket, some moron vandalised his car and sprayed racist grafitti on the window screen. He's now too frightened to leave his house.

****s of the highest order.

Hopefully he felt ok to report to the police. I imagine racist hate crimes will increase, sadly.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Hopefully he felt ok to report to the police. I imagine racist hate crimes will increase, sadly.

I don't think he did, no. This after his wife got attacked pre-Corona virus whilst shopping.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

If I’ve heard the CMO correctly then we can kiss goodbye to finishing the football season and likely next season to.
Social distancing until a vaccine or drugs to control and that don’t come quickly.
F*** it! I’m going to learn a language, French or Spanish?