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Coronavirus (Non-Politics)

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Sadly a few days back a London Firefighter jumped off the roof of a hospital after testing positive for COVID 19. Several off them had tested positive and by all accounts the deceased was a bit of a worrier and he thought he had given it to his colleagues. I dare say there was other issues but this seem to have been the final straw.

As for Rosie the junior doctor she did absolutely the right thing by breaking the rules because they are only there as guidance for the wise. As Up the Shrimpers rightly points out its a national disgrace what his daughter has to put up with.

God bless all the front line angels who are making such sacrifices. Not only are they risking their lives as we speak, when someone fights to take their last breath on this earth and stares you in the eye.... You take that to your grave. You can see that in the way Rosie is already feeling guilty

Lets hope all of us remember that when we have the usual NHS lies at election time. Its not just money its, they need our full support in so many other ways.....Lets make sure it happens
 
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A family member working in a major London hopsital expressed concern that the student nurses being put in the frontline will never recover from the trauma .... the Doctor writing this is just 25 years old "I have fought hard for a patient to be considere for ventilation" .. for a chance of life


Junior doctor Rosie Hughes.

Iam a junior doctor. In the past few weeks I have seen dozens of people die from Covid-19. I am 25 years old. I’ve been working in the NHS for just over eight months at a major metropolitan hospital. When my colleagues and I decided to apply for medical school six years ago, we knew that we were signing up for a challenge. We were under no illusion that it would be an easy ride. But I don’t think any of us imagined that we would be on the frontline of a pandemic less than a year into our careers.

I have cared for patients from admission until death and I have held their hands when they have been too breathless to speak. I have fought hard for a patient to be considered for ventilation despite knowing that they didn’t meet the criteria. I stayed with them after my shift had ended, gowned and gloved, and watched them take their last breaths, knowing that a few months ago they might have stood a chance. I ring families to tell them that their loved one who came into hospital for something totally unrelated now has coronavirus and will not survive.


I then apologise and tell them that they won’t be able to visit because of the infection control risk. On one occasion I failed to hold back my tears while I was on the phone and hoped that my voice didn’t tremble enough for them to hear.
This week we have received constant emails from our trust about our lack of personal protective equipment (PPE) and so we have little choice but to care for the patients at our own risk using just surgical masks and plastic aprons because we have now run out of gowns too.
Our ITU (intensive therapy unit) is now full. Our HDU (high dependency unit) is full too. We are now sending patients to an offsite facility to be ventilated. Two of our own staff members have died from the virus. I have no doubt there will be more.
On Sunday evening last week I began to feel run down and noticed that I had lost my senses of taste and smell. This is a newly described but increasingly well recognised symptom of Covid-19.



On Monday morning, after spending five hours on hold to my occupational health department, I got through to a nurse over the phone who advised me to remain in work and was unable to arrange a swab for me on the basis that I didn’t have a cough or a fever. Her answer was totally in line with the current World Health Organization guidance, but it left me with a difficult choice.
Knowing that I was potentially putting lives at risk by staying, I decided to leave the hospital.
Before I left, I managed to source a test request form and my consultant agreed to authorise it. The current test for the coronavirus is a throat swab. The physical swabbing process used across our health service is an aerosol generating procedure which means that there is a high chance of viral transmission between the patient and the person performing the swab.
This is essentially because sticking a swab to the back of your throat causes you to cough virus particles on to the person swabbing you.
I couldn’t ask the nurses on my ward to swab me because we had completely run out of eye protection so I swabbed myself instead. I then arranged to have the swab sent to the virology lab for testing, ensured my ward was adequately staffed and took myself home.
The following day I got a call from occupational health, saying I had tested positive for Covid-19. This means I have to isolate for seven days and my two flatmates, who are also junior doctors, will have to isolate for a total of 14 days.
Testing positive for the same virus that has killed so many of my patients is obviously a daunting prospect but it felt inevitable given the lack of safe PPE. In a way, I was relieved that the wait was over and it had finally hit.
It’s not surprising that I am finding it difficult to relax at home in the knowledge that I am infected with the same virus that I have written down countless times as the “primary cause of death” on the death certificates of my patients. Many of them were young, many of them did not have underlying health conditions.
Did they give it to me? Or did I give it to them? I’ll never know, but I stay up at night wondering.
I am lucky. My symptoms are mild and I can only hope that it stays that way. But while I sit at home in isolation, my mind is occupied by fear and guilt.
I replay images of breathless patients in my head and recall my telephone conversations with their families. I wonder if I had been just that tiny bit more careful, or washed my hands once more or not scratched my face with my gloves that maybe I could have prevented some of those deaths. I feel guilty that my flatmates can’t work. I feel bad that my colleagues who are now covering the shifts that I cannot do will be overworked and are prolonging their exposure to the virus.
I also worry about the possible consequences of having swabbed myself. When the occupational health nurse told me to remain in work and couldn’t swab me, I bent the rules and exploited my position. I hope that it will be overlooked. Ultimately my instinct proved to be right and my rule breaking resulted in protection for the patients and colleagues that I could have infected if I had done as I was told and remained in work.
Beyond all the fear and worry, I miss my friends and my family so much. They ring me daily and ask how I am doing. They probably can’t even imagine the things that I have had to do or see. I don’t know if I will ever tell them how bad things have got because I can’t bear the thought of them being worried.
Most of the time I just long to be in the hospital because it is the best distraction. As a result, my colleagues have become my family. The doctors, the nurses, the admin staff, the porters, the cleaners. They are brave and they are brilliant and they inspire me to be the same. Beyond the fear, exhaustion, uncertainty, loneliness and tears we somehow still manage to smile every day. We smile mainly with our eyes because covering our faces with masks has become the new norm. The pandemic has united us in ways that I can’t describe.


Funny I was just reading the originally published version above.
 
A family member working in a major London hopsital expressed concern that the student nurses being put in the frontline will never recover from the trauma .... the Doctor writing this is just 25 years old "I have fought hard for a patient to be considere for ventilation" .. for a chance of life


Junior doctor Rosie Hughes.

Iam a junior doctor. In the past few weeks I have seen dozens of people die from Covid-19. I am 25 years old. I’ve been working in the NHS for just over eight months at a major metropolitan hospital. When my colleagues and I decided to apply for medical school six years ago, we knew that we were signing up for a challenge. We were under no illusion that it would be an easy ride. But I don’t think any of us imagined that we would be on the frontline of a pandemic less than a year into our careers.

I have cared for patients from admission until death and I have held their hands when they have been too breathless to speak. I have fought hard for a patient to be considered for ventilation despite knowing that they didn’t meet the criteria. I stayed with them after my shift had ended, gowned and gloved, and watched them take their last breaths, knowing that a few months ago they might have stood a chance. I ring families to tell them that their loved one who came into hospital for something totally unrelated now has coronavirus and will not survive.


I then apologise and tell them that they won’t be able to visit because of the infection control risk. On one occasion I failed to hold back my tears while I was on the phone and hoped that my voice didn’t tremble enough for them to hear.
This week we have received constant emails from our trust about our lack of personal protective equipment (PPE) and so we have little choice but to care for the patients at our own risk using just surgical masks and plastic aprons because we have now run out of gowns too.
Our ITU (intensive therapy unit) is now full. Our HDU (high dependency unit) is full too. We are now sending patients to an offsite facility to be ventilated. Two of our own staff members have died from the virus. I have no doubt there will be more.
On Sunday evening last week I began to feel run down and noticed that I had lost my senses of taste and smell. This is a newly described but increasingly well recognised symptom of Covid-19.



On Monday morning, after spending five hours on hold to my occupational health department, I got through to a nurse over the phone who advised me to remain in work and was unable to arrange a swab for me on the basis that I didn’t have a cough or a fever. Her answer was totally in line with the current World Health Organization guidance, but it left me with a difficult choice.
Knowing that I was potentially putting lives at risk by staying, I decided to leave the hospital.
Before I left, I managed to source a test request form and my consultant agreed to authorise it. The current test for the coronavirus is a throat swab. The physical swabbing process used across our health service is an aerosol generating procedure which means that there is a high chance of viral transmission between the patient and the person performing the swab.
This is essentially because sticking a swab to the back of your throat causes you to cough virus particles on to the person swabbing you.
I couldn’t ask the nurses on my ward to swab me because we had completely run out of eye protection so I swabbed myself instead. I then arranged to have the swab sent to the virology lab for testing, ensured my ward was adequately staffed and took myself home.
The following day I got a call from occupational health, saying I had tested positive for Covid-19. This means I have to isolate for seven days and my two flatmates, who are also junior doctors, will have to isolate for a total of 14 days.
Testing positive for the same virus that has killed so many of my patients is obviously a daunting prospect but it felt inevitable given the lack of safe PPE. In a way, I was relieved that the wait was over and it had finally hit.
It’s not surprising that I am finding it difficult to relax at home in the knowledge that I am infected with the same virus that I have written down countless times as the “primary cause of death” on the death certificates of my patients. Many of them were young, many of them did not have underlying health conditions.
Did they give it to me? Or did I give it to them? I’ll never know, but I stay up at night wondering.
I am lucky. My symptoms are mild and I can only hope that it stays that way. But while I sit at home in isolation, my mind is occupied by fear and guilt.
I replay images of breathless patients in my head and recall my telephone conversations with their families. I wonder if I had been just that tiny bit more careful, or washed my hands once more or not scratched my face with my gloves that maybe I could have prevented some of those deaths. I feel guilty that my flatmates can’t work. I feel bad that my colleagues who are now covering the shifts that I cannot do will be overworked and are prolonging their exposure to the virus.
I also worry about the possible consequences of having swabbed myself. When the occupational health nurse told me to remain in work and couldn’t swab me, I bent the rules and exploited my position. I hope that it will be overlooked. Ultimately my instinct proved to be right and my rule breaking resulted in protection for the patients and colleagues that I could have infected if I had done as I was told and remained in work.
Beyond all the fear and worry, I miss my friends and my family so much. They ring me daily and ask how I am doing. They probably can’t even imagine the things that I have had to do or see. I don’t know if I will ever tell them how bad things have got because I can’t bear the thought of them being worried.
Most of the time I just long to be in the hospital because it is the best distraction. As a result, my colleagues have become my family. The doctors, the nurses, the admin staff, the porters, the cleaners. They are brave and they are brilliant and they inspire me to be the same. Beyond the fear, exhaustion, uncertainty, loneliness and tears we somehow still manage to smile every day. We smile mainly with our eyes because covering our faces with masks has become the new norm. The pandemic has united us in ways that I can’t describe.
What an amazing read, at the young age of 25 Rosie has such a mature head on her shoulders and my heart goes out to her. If she was my daughter I would be such a very, very proud father. A wonderful young lady........
 
Sadly a few days back a London Firefighter jumped off the roof of a hospital after testing positive for COVID 19. Several off them had tested positive and by all accounts the deceased was a bit of a worrier and he thought he had given it to his colleagues. I dare say there was other issues but this seem to have been the final straw.

As for Rosie the junior doctor she did absolutely the right thing by breaking the rules because they are only there as guidance for the wise. As Up the Shrimpers rightly points out its a national disgrace what his daughter has to put up with.

God bless all the front line angels who are making such sacrifices. Not only are they risking their lives as we speak, when someone fights to take their last breath on this earth and stares you in the eye.... You take that to your grave. You can see that in the way Rosie is already feeling guilty

Lets hope all of us remember that when we have the usual NHS lies at election time. Its not just money its, they need our full support in so many other ways.....Lets make sure it happens

Very sad to hear about the firefighter; where did you see this? I can't find anything about this reported anywhere and my brother, who is an Essex firefighter hadn't heard about it either.
 
Just heard that my daughter will have to wash all her uniform after each shift. It's £9 a wash at her accommodation so nearly £40 a week just on washing:Sad:.
Think I'm going to have to write an email to my MP.

At least there is a free bus to this Hospital, the last one she had to pay nearly £200 in bus fares.
 
Very sad to hear about the firefighter; where did you see this? I can't find anything about this reported anywhere and my brother, who is an Essex firefighter hadn't heard about it either.

I am a retired London Firefighter. He was at West Hampstead and it his name has been announced by the Fire brigade union (FBU).

Doesn't appear to be in any news but probably not deemed that important in the current climate. I spoke to a serving senior officer earlier and 4 others on his watch have tested positive. She said he was the first and he believed it was him who passed it on. like I presumed there were some other issues.

Firefighters do have a higher percentage of suicides than the average.
 
The idea of each country counting out it's dead and infected, test figures is terrible journalism and cheap headlines.
Each and every country has individual and diverse demography, and indeed recording issues.
These things, statistics, like crime figures, unemployment, obesity etc are GUIDES to the issues not frigging league tables for selling papers.
Poor reporting and simplistic babble best for chip paper.
 
Id like to have proper scientific journalists asking proper questions to the advisers. Not some muppet trying to score points against a politician asking the same question over and over again. Im more interested in how these figures are made up and collected. Who died from and who died with, seem to be two big distinctions. How do the amount of deaths compare in the uk with this time last year. Last month according to the ONS the death rate was no different and Id be interested to see what they will be for April compared to last year.
 
Id like to have proper scientific journalists asking proper questions to the advisers. Not some muppet trying to score points against a politician asking the same question over and over again. Im more interested in how these figures are made up and collected. Who died from and who died with, seem to be two big distinctions. How do the amount of deaths compare in the uk with this time last year. Last month according to the ONS the death rate was no different and Id be interested to see what they will be for April compared to last year.


Hundred percent agree with you, press conferences becoming predictable. The best set of questions I've seen recently have been from The Sun!
ONS figures are available to general public although you wouldn't think it listening to Journo's whining on.
 
How do the amount of deaths compare in the uk with this time last year. Last month according to the ONS the death rate was no different and Id be interested to see what they will be for April compared to last year.
In general I agree the briefings and questioning leave a lot to be desired, but there HAVE been comparison figures from the ONS. They issue weekly death figures, the latest of which (up to 3 April) point to an increase of 6,000 (or one half) over the 5-year average for the corresponding week in previous years. So “no different” doesn’t reflect what I’m seeing from the ONS.
For the ONS’s latest figures and commentary (“Main Points”) see
 
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In general I agree the briefings and questioning leave a lot to be desired, but there HAVE been comparison figures from the ONS. They issue weekly death figures, the latest of which (up to 3 April) point to an increase of 6,000 (or one half) over the 5-year average for the corresponding week in previous years. So “no different” doesn’t reflect what I’m seeing from the ONS.
For the ONS’s latest figures and commentary (“Main Points”) see

Its a really good graph on that ONS site. So rates for march were no different its only week 13-14 that are spiking now. So what would be good is to have a crystal ball to see how the rates will go for the rest of the year, if at the end of the year it still follows the last five years average numbers.
 
Worrying news for our elderly. Those that are in that stage before they go into a care home. Some of these should be in a care home, but haven't the money or a property to sell. So the Social Services keep them at home, as it's much cheaper for the government, with the help of charities like Age UK.

ELDERLY residents could be left with no-one to help them during the remainder of the pandemic after a charity temporarily axed its homecare service.

Age UK Essex offers Home Help for vulnerable people across the county who are still living in their own properties.

This includes residents who may struggle with certain aspects of day-to-day life and therefore need a bit of assistance.
More specifically, the service is designed to help people with getting in and out of bed, bathing and washing, preparing meals and cleaning.
 
Worrying news for our elderly. Those that are in that stage before they go into a care home. Some of these should be in a care home, but haven't the money or a property to sell. So the Social Services keep them at home, as it's much cheaper for the government, with the help of charities like Age UK.

ELDERLY residents could be left with no-one to help them during the remainder of the pandemic after a charity temporarily axed its homecare service.

Age UK Essex offers Home Help for vulnerable people across the county who are still living in their own properties.

This includes residents who may struggle with certain aspects of day-to-day life and therefore need a bit of assistance.
More specifically, the service is designed to help people with getting in and out of bed, bathing and washing, preparing meals and cleaning.
Care homes are quite rightly refusing new admissions who have not been tested to stop the infection of existing residents.So we then have bed blocking and additional pressure on existing hospital capacity with no step down even available .Not a great time to be elderly as you are seen as a liability and expendable.
On another note can't praise the care workers I know enough ,in what is a demanding job in normal times are going way beyond what is expected of them whilst been paid a low wage.They really do deserve more respect for the job they do.
 
Care homes are quite rightly refusing new admissions who have not been tested to stop the infection of existing residents.So we then have bed blocking and additional pressure on existing hospital capacity with no step down even available .Not a great time to be elderly as you are seen as a liability and expendable.
On another note can't praise the care workers I know enough ,in what is a demanding job in normal times are going way beyond what is expected of them whilst been paid a low wage.They really do deserve more respect for the job they do.

Absolutely. And they're putting their lives on the line. Hopefully, when this is all over, these sort of people, along with all other essential workers, will get the respect and recognition from the public that they deserve.
 
Neighbours opposite seem to have a squad of builders in today. Good work.

Maybe I'll remind them when they're out applauding the NHS tomorrow night that they may have increased their workload.
 
Neighbours opposite seem to have a squad of builders in today. Good work.

Maybe I'll remind them when they're out applauding the NHS tomorrow night that they may have increased their workload.

Building work has certainly resumed here,since yesterday, on public projects.There's a large site quite near us at Vollpelleres FGC stationHaven't heard/seen anybody doing any private work though.Stupid.
 
Unless things changed I thought building work outside the home is on the okay to do list in the UK ? A lot has stopped because they cant get materials rather than due to restrictions.
 
Neighbours opposite seem to have a squad of builders in today. Good work.

Maybe I'll remind them when they're out applauding the NHS tomorrow night that they may have increased their workload.

The **** who lives over the road from me has got his mate round doing work in his garden. He’s also dumping all of his waste in the skip on the house down the road having an extension done. The builders aren’t there! I think he is stealing their sand too!
 
Unless things changed I thought building work outside the home is on the okay to do list in the UK ? A lot has stopped because they cant get materials rather than due to restrictions.

Men who as sure as hell don't live together going in a different house and not doing the social distancing thing?
 
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