Coronavirus (Non-Politics)

[THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK]

Is the PPE situation getting better- seeing appeals on facebook, allegedly from staff at Basildon Hospital, that they are out of gowns

And from a more reputable source dated yesterday....

Lack of surgical gowns for medics 'a disaster in waiting', say NHS bosses

Hospitals in England running out of vital protective gear for staff treating Covid-19 patients

www.theguardian.com

Well without this turning out too political hopefully, and the mods stepping in, the Ministers keep coming on the TV and radio and telling us that more and better PPE is getting to those that need it, and then quoting figures. It deserves to be discussed as so many lives are at stake and so many have died because of this very situation. But maybe the reality is that it's not getting much better, or is getting better too slowly.

 

[rigsby]

I do wish people would stop comparing us to other countries.
Demographics differ from country to country.
This is what the experts running the response have said from day one, why isn't anyone listening?
From where I'm sat, 20,000 was given as the figure we are trying to come under. That as things stand looks about right.

People are asking questions so of course they will compare other countries.

In Britain at the moment we have, along with Italy, the highest percentage of deaths out of those that are diagnosed. 1 in 8, yet so far in New Zealand its 1 in 600. Are they dealing with it better? or just less likely to die?......Do we record things differently.

Whilst the death rates are higher in African Americans than the white population (who would have guessed that) They are still better than our own.

So we either stop clapping out NHS staff or start asking some more relevant questions.

What you have in your shopping trolley or how long your neighbour has been out for a walk is utter nonsense. On that note i'm off to my empty second home. Before you all get upset its the one above me but has a nicer view.

 

[Member]

People are asking questions so of course they will compare other countries.

In Britain at the moment we have, along with Italy, the highest percentage of deaths out of those that are diagnosed. 1 in 8, yet so far in New Zealand its 1 in 600. Are they dealing with it better? or just less likely to die?......Do we record things differently.

Whilst the death rates are higher in African Americans than the white population (who would have guessed that) They are still better than our own.

So we either stop clapping out NHS staff or start asking some more relevant questions.

What you have in your shopping trolley or how long your neighbour has been out for a walk is utter nonsense. On that note i'm off to my empty second home. Before you all get upset its the one above me but has a nicer view.

The ‘death rate’ is is impacted by both parts of the equation (number of deaths /number of cases)

we haven’t tested as much as other countries. So we have unreported the number of cases and that overestimates the death rate

we are pretty good at reporting deaths, and their cause. However there are still issues with doing this and not everyone dies in hospital,not everyone will have a post mortem, and it comes down to clinical judgment in many cases about whether the cause of death was COVID19

 

[dannypav]

People are asking questions so of course they will compare other countries.

In Britain at the moment we have, along with Italy, the highest percentage of deaths out of those that are diagnosed. 1 in 8, yet so far in New Zealand its 1 in 600. Are they dealing with it better? or just less likely to die?......Do we record things differently.

Whilst the death rates are higher in African Americans than the white population (who would have guessed that) They are still better than our own.

So we either stop clapping out NHS staff or start asking some more relevant questions.

What you have in your shopping trolley or how long your neighbour has been out for a walk is utter nonsense. On that note i'm off to my empty second home. Before you all get upset its the one above me but has a nicer view.

That is reflected somewhat by the density of the population.
Apart from a few notable exceptions ( larger cities ) the population in NZ is largely spread over a less densely populated area.

 

[kaymac]

Simple fact is that you cannot possibly compare figures between different countries, there is no correlation..

 

[rigsby]

That is reflected somewhat by the density of the population.
Apart from a few notable exceptions ( larger cities ) the population in NZ is largely spread over a less densely populated area.

Density of population has no effect on the outcome once you have the virus.

Even when it comes to the spread how comes it isn't rife in Tokyo, Sao Paulo or India.

 

[RobM]

Simple fact is that you cannot possibly compare figures between different countries, there is no correlation..

Yes and that's the problem. A country with a better health system will see a higher number of deaths in the elderly - purely because there are more elderly!

 

[RobM]

Density of population has no effect on the outcome once you have the virus.

Even when it comes to the spread how comes it isn't rife in Tokyo, Sao Paulo or India.

Not yet...

 

[rigsby]

Not yet...

OK Beijing or Shanghai......No one can use the lack of density, lack of travellers or that we are ahead of them time wise.

 

[southendkid]

In Britain at the moment we have, along with Italy, the highest percentage of deaths out of those that are diagnosed. 1 in 8, yet so far in New Zealand its 1 in 600. Are they dealing with it better? or just less likely to die?......Do we record things differently.

Unless you're a key worker it's pretty much impossible to be tested in the UK unless you need to be hospitalised, everyone else is told to self isolate and only go to hospital if you can't breathe. As a result we're only diagnosing people with a high chance of dying, whereas countries with more widespread testing are diagnosing a lot of people with mild symptoms that have little chance of dying from the virus.

 

[Shrimperjohn]

Why have Portugal reported less than 400 deaths but Spain are at about 15,000

Portugal locked down pretty rigorously after they had one fatality.

 

[BrettieAngell]

Until we have an antibody test we havent really got a clue how many of us have had the covid, I'm pretty sure I had it. I'm asthmatic and I was ill for 2 weeks, after 10 days or so I was feeling really bad so I rang 111 and I was told an ambulance was going to pick me up but after speaking to a paramedic he decided it wasn't necessary. I went on steroids and antibiotics and thankfully they did the job. Just over a week before I started feeling ill I was at the Cheltenham festival, so just having a random chest infection seems too much of a coincidence.

 

[Blue Yonder]

Cheltenham seems to have done for a lot of people. Hindsight eh ? Should have been cancelled. Glad your better.

 

[BrettieAngell]

Cheltenham seems to have done for a lot of people. Hindsight eh ? Should have been cancelled. Glad your better.

Absolutely, apart from hand sanitiser stations (which I didn't see being used all that much) it was business as usual.
Cheers mate!

 

[pottster]

People are asking questions so of course they will compare other countries.

In Britain at the moment we have, along with Italy, the highest percentage of deaths out of those that are diagnosed. 1 in 8, yet so far in New Zealand its 1 in 600. Are they dealing with it better? or just less likely to die?......Do we record things differently.

Whilst the death rates are higher in African Americans than the white population (who would have guessed that) They are still better than our own.

So we either stop clapping out NHS staff or start asking some more relevant questions.

What you have in your shopping trolley or how long your neighbour has been out for a walk is utter nonsense. On that note i'm off to my empty second home. Before you all get upset its the one above me but has a nicer view.

It depends how the country records the death. In Germany and maybe some other countries they are recording the cause of death such as pneumonia, or heart failure and not covid 19. Hence why Germanys death rates are low.

 

[dannypav]

Density of population has no effect on the outcome once you have the virus.

Even when it comes to the spread how comes it isn't rife in Tokyo, Sao Paulo or India.

You’re very wrong I’m sad to say.
Density of population will have a huge effect on the amount / strength of the virus an individual may get.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Until we have an antibody test we havent really got a clue how many of us have had the covid, I'm pretty sure I had it. I'm asthmatic and I was ill for 2 weeks, after 10 days or so I was feeling really bad so I rang 111 and I was told an ambulance was going to pick me up but after speaking to a paramedic he decided it wasn't necessary. I went on steroids and antibiotics and thankfully they did the job. Just over a week before I started feeling ill I was at the Cheltenham festival, so just having a random chest infection seems too much of a coincidence.

Thanks for this. I felt a lot better this morning (stayed in bed for 20 hours yesterday) but feel like **** again now. I’m asthmatic too and gonna call my Dr and ask for ABs and steroids. Hopefully roids will give me some muscle tone too as at the moment I look like an 80 year old man.

 

[Special Blue]

Thanks for this. I felt a lot better this morning (stayed in bed for 20 hours yesterday) but feel like **** again now. I’m asthmatic too and gonna call my Dr and ask for ABs and steroids. Hopefully roids will give me some muscle tone too as at the moment I look like an 80 year old man.

Wish you well my friend!
Take care

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Thanks for this. I felt a lot better this morning (stayed in bed for 20 hours yesterday) but feel like **** again now. I’m asthmatic too and gonna call my Dr and ask for ABs and steroids. Hopefully roids will give me some muscle tone too as at the moment I look like an 80 year old man.

I asked Mrs to call the Dr and ask for a prescription for me, they said call 111.

I then phoned the Dr and said I’m having a prescription and so now I am.

 

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Best of luck A.S.S.