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Coronavirus (Non-Politics)

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You’re very wrong I’m sad to say.
Density of population will have a huge effect on the amount / strength of the virus an individual may get.
There's no clear evidence at the moment to suggest that the 'amount' of virus from transmission correlates to viral load and/or severity. There is clearly an issue with the amount of exposure health care professionals get and them 'potentially' having worse outcomes, but this is anecdotal and clearly a quite politically sensitive issue.
 
There's no clear evidence at the moment to suggest that the 'amount' of virus from transmission correlates to viral load and/or severity. There is clearly an issue with the amount of exposure health care professionals get and them 'potentially' having worse outcomes, but this is anecdotal and clearly a quite politically sensitive issue.

We’ll agree to disagree on this one , but I think it’s far more than ‘anecdotal’.
 
We’ll agree to disagree on this one , but I think it’s far more than ‘anecdotal’.
yeah anecdotal wasn't the best choice of words, and I don't think we're disagreeing, and definitely want the same thing, which is our health care professionals to be protected if the work they're doing is even more dangerous to them than initially thought
 
Frankly I’d rather the government sort out how we all don’t end up in the poor house once this is passed and if all so called journalists can come up with is petty point scoring then these press conferences are a waste of time.
They‘re are going to be bigger problems than ministers not being two metres apart.
 
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the government have been slightly revising their views. Now we're 3/4 weeks behind Italy who appear they might just be past their peak. So we could still be up to 3 weeks away, and that's just an estimate.
I have lost several of my patients who live in nursing/residential homes who never even got to hospital and yet their cause of death will be registered as Covid19. Unfortunately, my understanding is that these deaths are not taken into the daily figures so therefore I would suggest the figure is actually higher than given. Likewise, with people who have had this virus and not been tested they are not counted or included in any statistics.
I fear the numbers are and will be greater than anyone anticipated and I just wish some people would understand the impact this virus has on individuals but,i totally agree I believe we are still at least 3 weeks from our “peak”
 
I have lost several of my patients who live in nursing/residential homes who never even got to hospital and yet their cause of death will be registered as Covid19. Unfortunately, my understanding is that these deaths are not taken into the daily figures so therefore I would suggest the figure is actually higher than given. Likewise, with people who have had this virus and not been tested they are not counted or included in any statistics.
I fear the numbers are and will be greater than anyone anticipated and I just wish some people would understand the impact this virus has on individuals but,i totally agree I believe we are still at least 3 weeks from our “peak”
The daily statistics from the DH are hospital only. The ONS is reporting death statistics that include community, but these are delayed.
Yes completely agree there are people dying and they won’t have a confirmed case. I saw a study that simply takes the expected death rate for this time of year and then looks at the actually death rate (all causes) and the difference is massive - maybe triple the expected deaths. I’ll try and find it. The impact across the health and care service is absolutely huge, and I fear for those without COVID who aren’t able to get the best care possible. I have family in this situation.
 
The daily statistics from the DH are hospital only. The ONS is reporting death statistics that include community, but these are delayed.
Yes completely agree there are people dying and they won’t have a confirmed case. I saw a study that simply takes the expected death rate for this time of year and then looks at the actually death rate (all causes) and the difference is massive - maybe triple the expected deaths. I’ll try and find it. The impact across the health and care service is absolutely huge, and I fear for those without COVID who aren’t able to get the best care possible. I have family in this situation.
Relatively old and not UK, but illustrates the point (although there are some issues with how they present it
 

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180 confirmed positive cases in Southend now,
Unfortunately for all these poor families 56 confirmed deaths due directly or indirectly to
COVID 19
 
Believe this to be a trusted source

Yeah I’ve seen that, what I’m looking for is a study that compares the (UK) deaths recorded in the last month to what occurred last month (controlling for seasonality etc).
 
Get well soon mate!
Steroids Day One, 6 tabs feels like I’ve been hit by an HGV. I have to reduce by 1 a day so I predict each day will feel like being hit by:



6 HGV

5 bus

4 standard sized delivery van

3 4 x 4

2 3 door hatch back

1 two scooters



I took a daughter to a party once and we rode a scooter each, but on my way home I had to ride two scooters and a gang of kids shouted at me. I scooted over and asked if they had something to tell me and one said ‘just....a man on a scooter’ and I replied ‘that’s not what’s happening here, it’s a man on two scooters’.

They felt shame and didn’t know how to respond.



I feel one of these steroid tabs has the impact of 2 scooters.
 
For those who follow twitter, may I suggest following Karol Sikora - shall we say a more balanced view than some of the bollocks coming from supposedly trusted sources of news.
I've frankly given up listening to the BBC after they interviewed a medical professional from cambridge today who gave intelligent perspective to the situation including why our figures differ so much to Germany, only for the BBC to then bring in their own reporter (after the daily press conference) to speculate on why UK figures differ so much to, er, Germany.
It seems the BBC and others including SKY aren't interested in responses which don't feed their need for frenzy.
 
Steroids Day One, 6 tabs feels like I’ve been hit by an HGV. I have to reduce by 1 a day so I predict each day will feel like being hit by:



6 HGV

5 bus

4 standard sized delivery van

3 4 x 4

2 3 door hatch back

1 two scooters


I feel one of these steroid tabs has the impact of 2 scooters.

How are you now Surrey?
On the hatchbacks?
 
A family member working in a major London hopsital expressed concern that the student nurses being put in the frontline will never recover from the trauma .... the Doctor writing this is just 25 years old "I have fought hard for a patient to be considere for ventilation" .. for a chance of life


Junior doctor Rosie Hughes.

Iam a junior doctor. In the past few weeks I have seen dozens of people die from Covid-19. I am 25 years old. I’ve been working in the NHS for just over eight months at a major metropolitan hospital. When my colleagues and I decided to apply for medical school six years ago, we knew that we were signing up for a challenge. We were under no illusion that it would be an easy ride. But I don’t think any of us imagined that we would be on the frontline of a pandemic less than a year into our careers.

I have cared for patients from admission until death and I have held their hands when they have been too breathless to speak. I have fought hard for a patient to be considered for ventilation despite knowing that they didn’t meet the criteria. I stayed with them after my shift had ended, gowned and gloved, and watched them take their last breaths, knowing that a few months ago they might have stood a chance. I ring families to tell them that their loved one who came into hospital for something totally unrelated now has coronavirus and will not survive.


I then apologise and tell them that they won’t be able to visit because of the infection control risk. On one occasion I failed to hold back my tears while I was on the phone and hoped that my voice didn’t tremble enough for them to hear.
This week we have received constant emails from our trust about our lack of personal protective equipment (PPE) and so we have little choice but to care for the patients at our own risk using just surgical masks and plastic aprons because we have now run out of gowns too.
Our ITU (intensive therapy unit) is now full. Our HDU (high dependency unit) is full too. We are now sending patients to an offsite facility to be ventilated. Two of our own staff members have died from the virus. I have no doubt there will be more.
On Sunday evening last week I began to feel run down and noticed that I had lost my senses of taste and smell. This is a newly described but increasingly well recognised symptom of Covid-19.



On Monday morning, after spending five hours on hold to my occupational health department, I got through to a nurse over the phone who advised me to remain in work and was unable to arrange a swab for me on the basis that I didn’t have a cough or a fever. Her answer was totally in line with the current World Health Organization guidance, but it left me with a difficult choice.
Knowing that I was potentially putting lives at risk by staying, I decided to leave the hospital.
Before I left, I managed to source a test request form and my consultant agreed to authorise it. The current test for the coronavirus is a throat swab. The physical swabbing process used across our health service is an aerosol generating procedure which means that there is a high chance of viral transmission between the patient and the person performing the swab.
This is essentially because sticking a swab to the back of your throat causes you to cough virus particles on to the person swabbing you.
I couldn’t ask the nurses on my ward to swab me because we had completely run out of eye protection so I swabbed myself instead. I then arranged to have the swab sent to the virology lab for testing, ensured my ward was adequately staffed and took myself home.
The following day I got a call from occupational health, saying I had tested positive for Covid-19. This means I have to isolate for seven days and my two flatmates, who are also junior doctors, will have to isolate for a total of 14 days.
Testing positive for the same virus that has killed so many of my patients is obviously a daunting prospect but it felt inevitable given the lack of safe PPE. In a way, I was relieved that the wait was over and it had finally hit.
It’s not surprising that I am finding it difficult to relax at home in the knowledge that I am infected with the same virus that I have written down countless times as the “primary cause of death” on the death certificates of my patients. Many of them were young, many of them did not have underlying health conditions.
Did they give it to me? Or did I give it to them? I’ll never know, but I stay up at night wondering.
I am lucky. My symptoms are mild and I can only hope that it stays that way. But while I sit at home in isolation, my mind is occupied by fear and guilt.
I replay images of breathless patients in my head and recall my telephone conversations with their families. I wonder if I had been just that tiny bit more careful, or washed my hands once more or not scratched my face with my gloves that maybe I could have prevented some of those deaths. I feel guilty that my flatmates can’t work. I feel bad that my colleagues who are now covering the shifts that I cannot do will be overworked and are prolonging their exposure to the virus.
I also worry about the possible consequences of having swabbed myself. When the occupational health nurse told me to remain in work and couldn’t swab me, I bent the rules and exploited my position. I hope that it will be overlooked. Ultimately my instinct proved to be right and my rule breaking resulted in protection for the patients and colleagues that I could have infected if I had done as I was told and remained in work.
Beyond all the fear and worry, I miss my friends and my family so much. They ring me daily and ask how I am doing. They probably can’t even imagine the things that I have had to do or see. I don’t know if I will ever tell them how bad things have got because I can’t bear the thought of them being worried.
Most of the time I just long to be in the hospital because it is the best distraction. As a result, my colleagues have become my family. The doctors, the nurses, the admin staff, the porters, the cleaners. They are brave and they are brilliant and they inspire me to be the same. Beyond the fear, exhaustion, uncertainty, loneliness and tears we somehow still manage to smile every day. We smile mainly with our eyes because covering our faces with masks has become the new norm. The pandemic has united us in ways that I can’t describe.
 
A family member working in a major London hopsital expressed concern that the student nurses being put in the frontline will never recover from the trauma .... the Doctor writing this is just 25 years old "I have fought hard for a patient to be considere for ventilation" .. for a chance of life
My 19 year old Student Nurse daughter was due back to her Hospital yesterday. This has now been delayed until next week.

Although a new scheme has been put in place to 'pay' Student Nurses, my daughters University has opted out of that scheme. So she will be back on the wards shortly, unpaid and in fact as I have mentioned before she is actually paying for the privilege of training to be a nurse. How many of us would volunteer to even work in a Hospital at the moment let alone pay to work there.

We needed 40,000 New nurses in this Country before the Coranavirus crisis. I really wonder how many people will be put off from now becoming a Student Nurse or Doctor.
 
"My 19 year old Student Nurse daughter was due back to her Hospital yesterday. This has now been delayed until next week."

it can be difficult for the families of Doctors and Nurses .. inevitably a few horrors can grip the imagination

The bravery of these youngsters puttng themselves in harms way like this - beyond inspiring
 
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