Brexit negotiations thread

[Bielzibubz]

OK. One last try at something sensible.....

As we are talking about Northern Ireland. Tell me how you think that we can work without a border and how you balance "controlling our borders" with "having no borders" and how we can operate using "the same rules as the EU" with "setting our own rules".

And then there are the technical bits, about how we ensure we don't breach "favoured nation status" rules in the WTO if we don't have a border or how future rules of origin within trade agreements would work for cattle born on cross border farms if we do.

Forget the politics, the "in / out" debate, a bit of name calling etc, this is the reality of the problems we have to solve.

And those are the realities and problems we entrust others to fully understand and sort out on our behalf LF. Whether they know how to is another argument entirely. Very few, if any I'd imagine, on this site can answer those questions, as well you know.

 

[Lord Football]

In March I will be skiing in Morzine in France. I will fly to Geneva and be picked up by a British/French born driver who cant' start his/her commercial vehicle until they pass a breath test on a machine fitted in the cab. It can't be an Auzzie driver because even if they are working in France they can't drive across the border to Switzerland.

We won't show any passports when we cross the border on the way out or on the way back. Does anyone stop and check to see the drivers passport....No......However if the French firm get caught using illegal drivers into Geneva they will be banned from Airport runs and be out of business......So without having to police it, they make it work.

On a pleasant day we will ski from Morzine down to Chatel in Switzerland for a nice lunch.......Never seen any Boarder Agency people checking passports on the slopes.

After a pleasant afternoon, thanks to you the tax payer (one of the Brexit voting city boys will put it on his card) We will ski back and being upstanding Brits if we see anyone in the act of husbandry anywhere near that border we will be sure to inform the correct EU institution :winking:

It's a lovely story. Aside from telling me you are going to Switzerland (I've never been, need to put that right) I am not sure it is relevant to the subject at hand. I flew back from Cape Verde yesterday. Got my bag turned out and had a lighter confiscated. It's not relevant, but it too is an interesting story. Or not.

I can tell you, most international couriers avoid Switzerland like the plague because it has the most convoluted transit arrangements in Europe.

Possibly the wrong person to do the "thanks to the tax payer" line with, but you knew that... didn't you. :thumbsup:

 

[Lord Football]

And those are the realities and problems we entrust others to fully understand and sort out on our behalf LF. Whether they know how to is another argument entirely. Very few, if any I'd imagine, on this site can answer those questions, as well you know.

But what if there are no answers?

Or if there are answers, they come with massive negatives?

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Crossing borders as a tourist/business trip is not the issue. The "official" borders in former Yugoslavia are quite different from reality and clandestine border security.
It is sensible that officials don't jump out at skiers etc BUT sad that intelligent, much traveled persons "of the world" think that is what Border Security entails;- it doesn't, no more than standing guard outside Buck Palace is the start and finish of the Army.
In my experience the good farmers know where their cows come from, the lineage and life history.
I had hoped this thread had become better.:sad:

 

[Lord Football]

Crossing borders as a tourist/business trip is not the issue. The "official" borders in former Yugoslavia are quite different from reality and clandestine border security.
It is sensible that officials don't jump out at skiers etc BUT sad that intelligent, much traveled persons "of the world" think that is what Border Security entails;- it doesn't, no more than standing guard outside Buck Palace is the start and finish of the Army.
In my experience the good farmers know where their cows come from, the lineage and life history.
I had hoped this thread had become better.:sad:

Yes, it absolutely is.
You've completely missed the point.

I would explain, but you know......

 

[rigsby]

It's a lovely story. Aside from telling me you are going to Switzerland (I've never been, need to put that right) I am not sure it is relevant to the subject at hand. I flew back from Cape Verde yesterday. Got my bag turned out and had a lighter confiscated. It's not relevant, but it too is an interesting story. Or not.

I can tell you, most international couriers avoid Switzerland like the plague because it has the most convoluted transit arrangements in Europe.

Possibly the wrong person to do the "thanks to the tax payer" line with, but you knew that... didn't you. :thumbsup:

Just a reminder that when you see a bank has made £12b profit that's after paying bonuses and for all the 'entertaining' excess. Some of which most people would not believe.

So when I hear some scare story about a Banking job losses because of Brexit. I think about the part of my pension stolen from me because apparently some of these little scamps were up to no good and we have to pay for their mistakes.....

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

And those are the realities and problems we entrust others to fully understand and sort out on our behalf LF. Whether they know how to is another argument entirely. Very few, if any I'd imagine, on this site can answer those questions, as well you know.

I wouldn't trust this **** poor Tory government to run a bath let alone handle something as complex as Brexit negotiations.

 

[rigsby]

I wouldn't trust this **** poor Tory government to run a bath let alone handle something as complex as Brexit negotiations.

Most people would agree with you but then they think who is the alternative.......Diane Abbott

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Most people would agree with you but then they think who is the alternative.......Diane Abbott

We're doomed!

 

[Lord Football]

Most people would agree with you but then they think who is the alternative.......Diane Abbott

Jezuz Riggers in your frothing madness to get one over on the Spaniard you make a schoolboy error.

The Shadow Brexit lead is Kier Starmer.

So that would be the alternative.

 

[rigsby]

Jezuz Riggers in your frothing madness to get one over on the Spaniard you make a schoolboy error.

The Shadow Brexit lead is Kier Starmer.

So that would be the alternative.

Careful Lordy it was those left wing insults that made us all vote Brexit in the first place.

The reason he is the Shadow and not the real one......Diane Abbott.....You can tell a lot about man from the company he keeps and she loses JC any credibility with the floating election deciding voter.

 

[Lord Football]

Careful Lordy it was those left wing insults that made us all vote Brexit in the first place.

The reason he is the Shadow and not the real one......Diane Abbott.....You can tell a lot about man from the company he keeps and she loses JC any credibility with floating election deciding voter.

I don't think so. I think it was a dislike of Johnny Foreigner and an inability to think for yourselves. :whistling:

 

[Lord Football]

If I may divert from squabbling with Riggers and return to the subject.

Specifically for those of you who cast your vote because of corruptness in the EU, I wonder what you make of this.....

http://uk.businessinsider.com/cabin...-brexit-information-to-chinese-company-2018-1

I'll allow you to draw your own conclusions on the article.

 

[Bielzibubz]

If I may divert from squabbling with Riggers and return to the subject.

Specifically for those of you who cast your vote because of corruptness in the EU, I wonder what you make of this.....

http://uk.businessinsider.com/cabin...-brexit-information-to-chinese-company-2018-1

I'll allow you to draw your own conclusions on the article.

Shocking and 100% wrong LF but the significant fact here is we the electorate can hold them accountable and vote them out of office if we so choose. The same can't be said for the corrupt and morally bankrupt elite at the top of the EU gravy train that cost us countless £'s each and every year.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Shocking and 100% wrong LF but the significant fact here is we the electorate can hold them accountable and vote them out of office if we so choose. The same can't be said for the corrupt and morally bankrupt elite at the top of the EU gravy train that cost us countless £'s each and every year.

Bit difficult to vote members of the House of Lords,like Lord Lansley, out of office.:winking:

(Though I do see Peter Liiley's forthcoming gong is likely to be withheld whereas A.Mitchell would appear to be untouchable).

 

[Lord Football]

Shocking and 100% wrong LF but the significant fact here is we the electorate can hold them accountable and vote them out of office if we so choose. The same can't be said for the corrupt and morally bankrupt elite at the top of the EU gravy train that cost us countless £'s each and every year.

Is it a significant fact? As we have discussed elsewhere, you can't actually sack an MP - you have to vote one out (and if you are in safe seat, you are well, safe). Whilst you cannot electorally remove an EU beaurocrat, they can be sacked.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Is it a significant fact? As we have discussed elsewhere, you can't actually sack an MP - you have to vote one out (and if you are in safe seat, you are well, safe). Whilst you cannot electorally remove an EU beaurocrat, they can be sacked.

Yes it is and you miss the point entirely LF. We have a choice as to whether to back those that are found wanting or not. Safe seat or not it makes no difference to the fact we the people can and do get a chance to rid the system of our political bad apples.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Bit difficult to vote members of the House of Lords,like Lord Lansley, out of office.:winking:

(Though I do see Peter Liiley's forthcoming gong is likely to be withheld whereas A.Mitchell would appear to be untouchable).

Did I mention or indeed mean the Lords? No. But you knew that anyway didn't you but again you chose to fit you're answer around something in you're head, not what was said. Now, move along sunshine. There's a good lad. :winking:

It's also one of the reasons I'd like to see it abolished but that's for another time and place.

 

[Cricko]

Yes it is and you miss the point entirely LF. We have a choice as to whether to back those that are found wanting or not. Safe seat or not it makes no difference to the fact we the people can and do get a chance to rid the system of our political bad apples.

I guess you do know what Lord Football's job is Phil?

 

[Bielzibubz]

Not exactly but I can hazard a guess and I freely admit he's far, far more knowledgable than I about the Brexit issue. My point still stands though regarding the corrupt and unaccountable EU bureaucrats and the corrupt but accountable parliamentary MP's.