Brexit negotiations thread

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Before my time you have to be 18 to vote. Like all people growing up in the 70's my introduction to the politics of Wilson and Healy etc was via Mike Yarwood.

Micheal Foot was your man then I guess

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Micheal Foot was your man then I guess

He was certainly mine.A wonderful public speaker who I saw at many Tribune rallies.A truly great man.RIP.

 

[Swiss Tony]

He was certainly mine.A wonderful public speaker who I saw at many Tribune rallies.A truly great man.RIP.

Scruffy pinko who would of skinted Britain.:thumbdown:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Scruffy pinko who would of skinted Britain.:thumbdown:

No. A democratic socialist, whose work Jeremy Corbyn will get the chance to complete.

 

[callan]

No. A democratic socialist, whose work Jeremy Corbyn will get the chance to complete.

Corbyns going to become scruffier than he already is?:winking:

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Corbyns going to become scruffier than he already is?:winking:

Actually,JC has smartened up considerably since winning (and retaining) the leadership.:smile:

 

[Swiss Tony]

No. A democratic socialist, whose work Jeremy Corbyn will get the chance to complete.

Two anti Brits and you makes three,bet your a scruffy ******* too.

 

[rigsby]

Actually,JC has smartened up considerably since winning (and retaining) the leadership.:smile:

Depends on how you define that term. Spending £200 on a Burtons suit or kicking Diane (blond haired blue eyed people shouldn't nurse us blacks) Abbot out of his shadow cabinet ?

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

Actually,JC has smartened up considerably since winning (and retaining) the leadership.:smile:

Do you mean sartorially or intellectually?
In both areas he has a lot of spare capacity for improvement and starting from a low point does make it easier.:smile:

But then again Boris rarely looks better than average.

And Hunt might look the part BUT he is, and will always be a *unt.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Do you mean sartorially or intellectually?
In both areas he has a lot of spare capacity for improvement and starting from a low point does make it easier.:smile:

But then again Boris rarely looks better than average.

And Hunt might look the part BUT he is, and will always be a *unt.

I was thinking "sartorially" but's he's also winning the intellectual argument with Mrs May over the NHS, from what I saw at PMQ's earlier.

 

[Bielzibubz]

I was thinking "sartorially" but's he's also winning the intellectual argument with Mrs May over the NHS, from what I saw at PMQ's earlier.

Let's be honest for a moment here TUIB. JC could get ripped a new one and violated with a pineapple by TM at PMQ's and you'd still truly believe he'd won the argument. He can do no wrong.

You're absolute love and devotion to the man and the cause doesn't really lend well to a balanced argument and opinion.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Back to Brexit! What on earth is that idiot Cameron whimpering on about?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42806207

Brexit's a mistake not a disaster (like him?) and................Brexit's turned out 'less badly than first thought.' What the hell is he talking about? The pre-amble to Brexit may have been less bad than he feared but unless I'm mistaken, Brexit is not due to take place until March next year and even a couple of years after that, if the transitional period comes into force. It may well be many years after that until we know the damage, or otherwise, Brexit has brought about.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Back to Brexit! What on earth is that idiot Cameron whimpering on about?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42806207

Brexit's a mistake not a disaster (like him?) and................Brexit's turned out 'less badly than first thought.' What the hell is he talking about? The pre-amble to Brexit may have been less bad than he feared but unless I'm mistaken, Brexit is not due to take place until March next year and even a couple of years after that, if the transitional period comes into force. It may well be many years after that until we know the damage, or otherwise, Brexit has brought about.

I imagine he's trying to rewrite his position in political history.Inevitably, his name will forever be linked with Brexit in the history books of the future.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Let's be honest for a moment here TUIB. JC could get ripped a new one and violated with a pineapple by TM at PMQ's and you'd still truly believe he'd won the argument. He can do no wrong.

You're absolute love and devotion to the man and the cause doesn't really lend well to a balanced argument and opinion.

Bit like you and the positive case for Brexit then.:winking:

 

[Bielzibubz]

Bit like you and the positive case for Brexit then.:winking:

See, that's where you're wrong. I fully accept, and always have, that voting leave was a gamble and that leaving could/will cost this country in some form or another.

I don't doubt that it'll be painful for some/many across all spectrums of society.

I knew before voting leave that my vote was, to a certain extent, a leap in the dark. It was a vote based on my beliefs for the future away from it, my knowledge of past facts and having lived with it from it's inception and also on the facts I searched for and researched myself.

My positive case for Brexit isn't all encompassing to the detriment of any other argument or opinion. I recognise it's potential pitfalls, costs and uncertainty going forward and that's where you and I differ. I can and always will see both sides and weigh up an argument and form an opinion from there, as I've said many times before when discussing my political leanings. Unlike you, my opinion, and ultimately my vote in the referendum, wasn't based on a lifetime of politically indoctrinated beliefs.

 

[GrumpyBlue]

Lots of EU boards and cash spent here in Cornwall.

edit:- replied to this post without seeing later posts.

Still loads of boards in Cornwall (some on projects I worked on before retirement - including some by Carillion who I briefly worked for after they took over Mowlems)

Just a quick addendum - on a brief (3 mile) bus trip today from my village to Penryn I saw 6 funded by EU notices without really looking hard

 

[Lord Football]

See, that's where you're wrong. I fully accept, and always have, that voting leave was a gamble and that leaving could/will cost this country in some form or another.

I don't doubt that it'll be painful for some/many across all spectrums of society.

I knew before voting leave that my vote was, to a certain extent, a leap in the dark. It was a vote based on my beliefs for the future away from it, my knowledge of past facts and having lived with it from it's inception and also on the facts I searched for and researched myself.

My positive case for Brexit isn't all encompassing to the detriment of any other argument or opinion. I recognise it's potential pitfalls, costs and uncertainty going forward and that's where you and I differ. I can and always will see both sides and weigh up an argument and form an opinion from there, as I've said many times before when discussing my political leanings. Unlike you, my opinion, and ultimately my vote in the referendum, wasn't based on a lifetime of politically indoctrinated beliefs.

What I'd like to know, is what do you as a Leaver think Brexit should look like, and how, given the competing requirements of UK PLC, the EU, and International conventions, how it should work in reality?

In fact, given as we are actually going to leave, I'd be interested in what all you Leavers think it should look like and whether there is some uniformity of opinion.

There are no right or wrong answers, I am just curious and I think it would be a better discussion that what JC is wearing these days, and fighting with the Spanish poster. .

 

[Bielzibubz]

What I'd like to know, is what do you as a Leaver think Brexit should look like, and how, given the competing requirements of UK PLC, the EU, and International conventions, how it should work in reality?

In fact, given as we are actually going to leave, I'd be interested in what all you Leavers think it should look like and whether there is some uniformity of opinion.

There are no right or wrong answers, I am just curious and I think it would be a better discussion that what JC is wearing these days, and fighting with the Spanish poster. .

What the UK should look like post Brexit or Brexit itself?

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

What I'd like to know, is what do you as a Leaver think Brexit should look like, and how, given the competing requirements of UK PLC, the EU, and International conventions, how it should work in reality?

In fact, given as we are actually going to leave, I'd be interested in what all you Leavers think it should look like and whether there is some uniformity of opinion.

There are no right or wrong answers, I am just curious and I think it would be a better discussion that what JC is wearing these days, and fighting with the Spanish poster. .

I imagine you'll get a similar uniformity of opinion to the one you're getting from HMG at the moment.:smile:

 

[Massimo Giovanni]

"I am a Leaver".
You read my words and I have posted it, however I do not know (who can?) where leaving will take me or the UK, however I know that the corrupt, moribund, federalist Franco-German controlled undemocratic, crumbling, expansionist, elitist CURRENT EU is the reason I want out.
It is a club, to use a recent analogy, like the Presidents Club, no longer fit for purpose & also too divergent from the fairly simple and basic trade and mutual co-operation origin.
I haven't answered Lord's question and I have tried to explain, again, why for many I suspect it is the leaving which is important and the first steps on what will without doubt be a difficult, and taxing journey.