Brexit negotiations thread

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

The Irish border is a major stumbling block - and one that has very few options so the Uk government, Irish government, and Northern Irish government should have hammered out a best fit between them then taken that to the EU. Seems every element to the process of leaving the EU comes as a surprise to our government. Maybe too many of them believed Liam Fox's 'easiest deal ever made' claims.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

This article from Sky News really does explain clearly and concisely the problem and like me, doesn't see any easy solution presenting itself...........
https://news.sky.com/story/liam-fox-puts-uk-at-odds-with-ireland-over-border-issue-11144904

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

The Times are reporting that the actual amount for the 'divorce bill' will never be revealed to the public.
Gotta love democracy. Take back control.

 

[MK Shrimper]

The Times are reporting that the actual amount for the 'divorce bill' will never be revealed to the public.
Gotta love democracy. Take back control.

Probably if you divided £350M into it you could build several hospitals and give nurses a huge payrise.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

The Irish border is a major stumbling block - and one that has very few options so the Uk government, Irish government, and Northern Irish government should have hammered out a best fit between them then taken that to the EU. Seems every element to the process of leaving the EU comes as a surprise to our government. Maybe too many of them believed Liam Fox's 'easiest deal ever made' claims.

I was interested to see Labour MP and arch-Bexiteer Kate Hoey laying into Irish Brexit negotiator Neale Richmond on BBC Politcs earlier.

When she suggested that Ireland might be joining the UK in Brexit soon. he pointed out that in the last opinion poll in Ireland, 88% of the population were in favour of remaining in the EU.:smile:

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

Forget the Irish border problem, forget citizens' rights, forget how much the EU divorce bill will be, forget M. Barnier, forget M. Juncker, indeed forget Brexit. Forget the lamentable state of the NHS, forget the UK's poor production performance, forget another two decades of austerity, forget May's incompetent government, forget the weather, forget the ashes ................................................... WE'VE GOT A ROYAL WEDDING!!!!

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I was interested to see Labour MP and arch-Bexiteer Kate Hoey laying into Irish Brexit negotiator Neale Richmond on BBC Politcs earlier.

When she suggested that Ireland might be joining the UK in Brexit soon. he pointed out that in the last opinion poll in Ireland, 88% of the population were in favour of remaining in the EU.:smile:

she also allegedly said the Irish would have to pay for the border. She is the least Labour of all the Labour MPs, only reason she is still in a job is because the very notion of deselection is treated as if Stalinists are involved - in reality is because she has become an awful MP.

 

[Lord Football]

Forget the Irish border problem, forget citizens' rights, forget how much the EU divorce bill will be, forget M. Barnier, forget M. Juncker, indeed forget Brexit. Forget the lamentable state of the NHS, forget the UK's poor production performance, forget another two decades of austerity, forget May's incompetent government, forget the weather, forget the ashes ................................................... WE'VE GOT A ROYAL WEDDING!!!!

No we haven't.

I wonder if he'll invite his dad.

 

[yogi bear up the cagire]

No we haven't.

I wonder if he'll invite his dad.

OK, let's say we've got through the first set of negotiations, the wedding is the real deal! Don't know about his dad but surely his grand-dad would be worth inviting for a few, choice, politically incorrect remarks.:smile:

 

[Benfleet A1]

she also allegedly said the Irish would have to pay for the border. She is the least Labour of all the Labour MPs, only reason she is still in a job is because the very notion of deselection is treated as if Stalinists are involved - in reality is because she has become an awful MP.

Her constituates might disagree with you.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Her constituates might disagree with you.

You know those Tories that people dislike and its said that the locals would vote for a pig in a blue rosette - I think this is a similar vibe but a red rosette

 

[Benfleet A1]

You know those Tories that people dislike and its said that the locals would vote for a pig in a blue rosette - I think this is a similar vibe but a red rosette

I thought that might be the reply. Obviously it was ok for Corbyn to vote against his party line but not anyone else. I wonder why.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

I thought that might be the reply. Obviously it was ok for Corbyn to vote against his party line but not anyone else. I wonder why.

MP's were free to vote how they wanted to on the EU but she was one of the '£350m a week for the NHS' liars and she is now saying the Irish should pay for a border that is only potentially needed due to British government policy. She is bad a politics.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Her constituates might disagree with you.

"Despite Hoey being a prominent campaigner for leaving the European Union, Vauxhall voted to remain in the EU by 77.6% in the national referendum on 23 June 2016.[3]" Wiki.

 

[Benfleet A1]

MP's were free to vote how they wanted to on the EU but she was one of the '£350m a week for the NHS' liars and she is now saying the Irish should pay for a border that is only potentially needed due to British government policy. She is bad a politics.

A 20,250 majority says otherwise.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

A 20,250 majority says otherwise.

red rosette, Diane Abbott I believe has the biggest majority I Parliament - for context!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

A 20,250 majority says otherwise.

See post 994 above for some context.

 

[Benfleet A1]

red rosette, Diane Abbott I believe has the biggest majority I Parliament - for context!

What's her track record like when it comes to being good at politics?

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

What's her track record like when it comes to being good at politics?

exactly......

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

David Lammy:

In summary:
Me: "Have you done any Brexit impact assessments?"
@DExEUgov: "Yes, loads, in excruciating detail. We're on top of it"
Me: "Ok, can you publish it so we can see it?"
@DExEUgov: "No, it's secret"
Parliament: "Publish the studies"
@DExEUgov: "They never existed, sorry"


These people are in charge of our smooth exit from the EU. I'm not sure if they are constantly lying or constantly incompetent but I'm guessing it's a mix of the two.