Brexit negotiations thread

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47107561

Nissan announce their new model will now be made in Japan.Also that the uncertainty over Brexit was a factor in the decision.

"While we have taken this decision for business reasons, the continued uncertainty around the UK's future relationship with the EU is not helping companies like ours to plan for the future,"

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/03/queen-to-be-evacuated-if-brexit-turns-ugly-reports

Sems like nobody's safe from a hard Brexit-including HRH.

 

[Gt Yarmouth Shrimper]

Sorry but that scene's already been done before ....as comedy gold.

Indeed it was a Labour PM,Harold Wilson,who refused to commit even a battalian to aid US troops despite LBJ's frequent pleas.

I think you'll find Rigsby was referring to Douglas Bader Barna!

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I think you'll find Rigsby was referring to Douglas Bader Barna!

Yes I must admit I rather thought he was.Anyone who's seen Kenneth Moore in Reach for the Sky will know that it conforms to the WW2 stereotypes discussed earlier 1.treating war like some sort of glorified cricket match 2.officer class all upper middle class types while any other ranks were all solid, working class types 3.blind patriotism expressed by all.

Before anyone starts,I went to school with someone who lived in the same Norfolk village that Douglas Bader retired to.According to my friend, DB was a very nice bloke.Certainly nobody (including me) doubts his wartime heroism.

 

[maninasuitcase]

That's because we don't scare easily. Even if we have no legs we will still fight the Nazis. Unbreachable dams,,,,No such thing when you combine British ingenuity, honour and courage.

We all know that from Sunday afternoon films. Shame you Brit hating foreigners haven't learnt your lesson......Still just like the blitz in 1940/41, Brexit has given the people of Europe hope.....If Britain can stand up to them then so can we.

On that note I'm off to France for a while. Its an International effort to end tyranny.

P.S. I know you hate all things in British history and cant wait to sneer given any opportunity but Vietnam was nothing to do with us...….So pointless mentioning it on this thread.

Hang on there Rigsby, you are comparing the fight against the Nazis with Brexit?

Wow, you are really demeaning the efforts and lives of the people from all round the world who fought and died to oppose tyranny.

How many died in WW2? How many died in Brexit?

You have really scraped the bottom of the barrel with that post, hang your head in shame!

 

[Rob Noxious]

Yes I must admit I rather thought he was.Anyone who's seen Kenneth Moore in Reach for the Sky will know that it conforms to the WW2 stereotypes discussed earlier 1.treating war like some sort of glorified cricket match 2.officer class all upper middle class types while any other ranks were all solid, working class types 3.blind patriotism expressed by all.

Before anyone starts,I went to school with someone who lived in the same Norfolk village that Douglas Bader retired to.According to my friend, DB was a very nice bloke.Certainly nobody (including me) doubts his wartime heroism.

'Bader' was also Tony Hateley's nickname. Fantastic in the air but not so brilliant on the deck.

 

[Blueronron]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/03/queen-to-be-evacuated-if-brexit-turns-ugly-reports

Sems like nobody's safe from a hard Brexit-including HRH.

Good to see her standing shoulder to shoulder with the people in times of unrest

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Good to see her standing shoulder to shoulder with the people in times of unrest

Boring dig at the royals - as recent events have clearly shown, they are more popular than ever before.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Whoops.Think Blues exile and I forgot perhaps on of the most significant elements in those old WW2 films ( and certainly one of the most important regarding the current Brexit debate).I'm talking about the (usually) casual racism expressed towards foreigners.Not only nations GB was actually fighting against,the Germans,Italians and Japanese but also nations we were actually allied with,the French,Poles and Americans etc.The latter group were usually depicted as good chaps but not quite having the true Britisher"right stuff."

This attitude has, of course, been reflected in recent British films like Dunkirk and the two recent Churchill bio-pics.It also informs the attitude of many Brexiteers, who see a cliff-edge Brexit at the end of March on WTO terms, as being a re-run of "our finest hour" after Dunkirk in 1941 when GB "stood alone" against Nazi Germany.

In that sense,to paraphrase Eldridge Cleaver,it makes the UK very much "part of the problem" rather than "part of the solution" in terms of negotiations with the EU.

 

[Blueronron]

Boring dig at the royals - as recent events have clearly shown, they are more popular than ever before.

Maybe to you and others, however not for me

 

[blues exile]

That's because we don't scare easily. Even if we have no legs we will still fight the Nazis. Unbreachable dams,,,,No such thing when you combine British ingenuity, honour and courage.

We all know that from Sunday afternoon films. Shame you Brit hating foreigners haven't learnt your lesson......Still just like the blitz in 1940/41, Brexit has given the people of Europe hope.....If Britain can stand up to them then so can we.

On that note I'm off to France for a while. Its an International effort to end tyranny.

P.S. I know you hate all things in British history and cant wait to sneer given any opportunity but Vietnam was nothing to do with us...….So pointless mentioning it on this thread.

You need to read more carefully before posting. I did not raise the subject of Vietnam, I merely responded

Whoops.Think Blues exile and I forgot perhaps on of the most significant elements in those old WW2 films ( and certainly one of the most important regarding the current Brexit debate).I'm talking about the (usually) casual racism expressed towards foreigners.Not only nations GB was actually fighting against,the Germans,Italians and Japanese but also nations we were actually allied with,the French,Poles and Americans etc.The latter group were usually depicted as good chaps but not quite having the true Britisher"right stuff."

This attitude has, of course, been reflected in recent British films like Dunkirk and the two recent Churchill bio-pics.It also informs the attitude of many Brexiteers, who see a cliff-edge Brexit at the end of March on WTO terms, as being a re-run of "our finest hour" after Dunkirk in 1941 when GB "stood alone" against Nazi Germany.

In that sense,to paraphrase Eldridge Cleaver,it makes the UK very much "part of the problem" rather than "part of the solution" in terms of negotiations with the EU.

Dead right, I recall in 'Reach for the sky' the only foreigner who came out well was the Canadian pilot played by Lee Patterson. Of course, from the white commonwealth he was 'one of us'. And what about the name of Guy Gibson's dog in 'The Dam Busters'?

 

[Benfleet A1]

You need to read more carefully before posting. I did not raise the subject of Vietnam, I merely responded

Dead right, I recall in 'Reach for the sky' the only foreigner who came out well was the Canadian pilot played by Les Patterson. Of course, from the white commonwealth he was 'one of us'. And what about the name of Guy Gibson's dog in 'The Dam Busters'?

Glossing over something that was getting on for 80 years ago. Times have changed.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Maybe to you and others, however not for me

What a surprise.

 

[blues exile]

Glossing over something that was getting on for 80 years ago. Times have changed.[/QUO
Bader was also a supporter of the illegal Smith regime in what is now Zimbabwe and made racist comments about the indigenous population. He was opposed to immigration from the commonwealth and once said that CND supporters should be deported. All in all, an archetypal right wing racist whose views were even too extreme for the Tory party when he wanted to stand as an MP.

 

[Benfleet A1]

And your point is?

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47107561

Nissan announce their new model will now be made in Japan.Also that the uncertainty over Brexit was a factor in the decision.

"While we have taken this decision for business reasons, the continued uncertainty around the UK's future relationship with the EU is not helping companies like ours to plan for the future,"

Yes, uncertainty which is being prolonged by the constant attempts to block Brexit and the rubbish deal that Theresa May negotiated. The only way to end the uncertainty is to leave on 29th March, whether we have a deal or not.

Brexit can't have been a massive factor in the decision anyway, they're not making the car in another EU country. Any time a company announces store closures or job losses now it's going to be blamed on Brexit but there are lots of other issues in the car industry.

 

[blues exile]

And your point is?

If I need to spell it out.
Bader's public image as portrayed in the film was very different from the reality. The way the media's distortions shape public consciousness is one of the main reasons for the Brexiteers success at the referendum. I am sure if DB were alive he would be a keen Brexiteer and UKIPPER given his public pronouncements from way back.

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Yes, uncertainty which is being prolonged by the constant attempts to block Brexit and the rubbish deal that Theresa May negotiated. The only way to end the uncertainty is to leave on 29th March, whether we have a deal or not.

Brexit can't have been a massive factor in the decision anyway, they're not making the car in another EU country. Any time a company announces store closures or job losses now it's going to be blamed on Brexit but there are lots of other issues in the car industry.

They are making it in Japan, which thanks to their recent EU trade deal won’t pay tariffs on cars imported into the EU, whereas as things stand cars imported from the UK to EU would attract a 10% tariff I think.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

If I need to spell it out.
Bader's public image as portrayed in the film was very different from the reality. The way the media's distortions shape public consciousness is one of the main reasons for the Brexiteers success at the referendum. I am sure if DB were alive he would be a keen Brexiteer and UKIPPER given his public pronouncements from way back.

That's brilliant - can you now do Nelson and Wellington and might as well do Churchill whilst you're at it.
I'm feeling more and more ashamed of being English by the minute - thank a lot.

 

[Blueronron]

That's brilliant - can you now do Nelson and Wellington and might as well do Churchill whilst you're at it.
I'm feeling more and more ashamed of being English by the minute - thank a lot.

Stick in Maggie Thatcher and we may agree on something