Brexit negotiations thread

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Or in other words, he just plainly doesn’t like her and is therefore refusing to cooperate?

Tell me, is that positive to the Brexit situation, or detrimental?

I was just reacting to your slur.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

No deal is part and parcel of triggering Article 50. (Something that Corbyn actually criticised May for not doing sooner)

On top of that, it’s maybe our only bargaining chip to try and get the EU to budge. Whether May intends to utilise it is irrelevant. The EU have to believe that we’re willing to go that route.

You honestly believe May still thinks her current idea of a deal is anything other than dead?

He didn't criticise her for not triggering A50 sooner.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Corbyn holds the power here and May knows it - the only way May can get a deal through parliament is with Corbyn's support as her own Leave MP's won't back anything she puts forward. Depending on how much she is willing to sell herself down the river, Corbyn could demand anything he pleases.
Playing politics? absolutely but May only has herself to blame.
Should have had a pro Leave leader in first instance - too f-ing late now.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

I was just reacting to your slur.

He does associate himself with terrorists and everyone knows it.

 

[blues exile]

No deal is part and parcel of triggering Article 50. (Something that Corbyn actually criticised May for not doing sooner)

On top of that, it’s maybe our only bargaining chip to try and get the EU to budge. Whether May intends to utilise it is irrelevant. The EU have to believe that we’re willing to go that route.

You honestly believe May still thinks her current idea of a deal is anything other than dead?

Of course, her inflexibility and unwillingness to listen to reason is why we are in this mess now. A Prime Minister with an ounce of statesmanship on an issue as important as this would have realised that a consensual approach across all parties was the only way forward. Instead she has tried to bluster and bulldoze her way forward and her blinkered approach has achieved unity of an unwanted kind in that virtually every shade of opinion rejected her deal, apart from the lackeys on the government payroll.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Next vote, 29th January. I can barely wait for the next stage of this ****show.

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Next vote, 29th January. I can barely wait for the next stage of this ****show.

Well something has to give because come March 29th we leave with no deal if nothing can be sorted out by the wizards of Westminster.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Well something has to give because come March 29th we leave with no deal if nothing can be sorted out by the wizards of Westminster.

Remaining in the customs union?

 

[Shrimpers are Magic]

Remaining in the customs union?

at the risk of splitting the Tory party?
who knows - Corbyn is a leaver don't forget despite what he says.

 

[blues exile]

He does associate himself with terrorists and everyone knows it.

If you want a genuine example of 'associating with terrorists' rather than repeating Daily Mail garbage you need look no further than Nigel Dodds of the DUP, one of that unsavoury bunch of bigots that holds Westminster to ransom.

 

[GBJ]

I was just reacting to your slur.

Slur? Did I say something non-factual then?

Of course, her inflexibility and unwillingness to listen to reason is why we are in this mess now. A Prime Minister with an ounce of statesmanship on an issue as important as this would have realised that a consensual approach across all parties was the only way forward. Instead she has tried to bluster and bulldoze her way forward and her blinkered approach has achieved unity of an unwanted kind in that virtually every shade of opinion rejected her deal, apart from the lackeys on the government payroll.

I don’t disagree, the way it’s been handled has been appalling.

But don’t swerve the point, by reiterating that though.

Simple question... Corbyn refusing to meet May, is positive for the next step of Brexit, or detrimental?

Remaining in the customs union?

A pretty pointless exercise. We’d end up with less than what we’ve got now. I.e. Still following EU rules & jurisdiction, only we’d have no say over it

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

He does associate himself with terrorists and everyone knows it.

He has had discussions with them. May arms them.

Worth also remembering the NI party that Corbyn had discussions with - Sinn Fein - are fully signed up to the Good Friday Agreement and the NI party May has a supporting agreement with - DUP - rejected the Good Friday Agreement.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

at the risk of splitting the Tory party?
who knows - Corbyn is a leaver don't forget despite what he says.

yet he totally rejects No Deal Brexit.

 

[MK Shrimper]

A pretty pointless exercise. We’d end up with less than what we’ve got now. I.e. Still following EU rules & jurisdiction, only we’d have no say over it

Sums Brexit up in a sentence. If only there was a way we could influence the rules.....

 

[Sandbach Shrimper]

Remaining in the customs union?

If we remain in the customs union we can't make our own trade deals, which was one of the reasons for voting leave.

There is no mandate for ruling out no deal. On the ballot paper it didn't say "leave but only if we get a deal". MPs voted to trigger article 50 which states that if no deal is agreed, we leave without one.

Labour have been criticising the government for a lack of dialogue over the negotiations and now Corbyn, a man who's happy to talk to Hamas and the IRA, refuses to sit down with the Prime Minister. The man's a joke. If Labour had a decent leader who came down strongly on one side, they might be in power now. Michael Gove's attack on Corbyn in the HoC last night was brilliant.

Some of the scare stories about no deal have already been disproven, for example the head of Calais port saying no deal would not lead to delays at the port. We already have several bilateral agreements with EU countries.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Vince Cable has just attacked Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party for being determined to do no other than play party political games on Brexit. He has said Labour wont get Lib Dem support for any future no confidence motions. He has called on Jeremy Corbyn to come down off the fence and adopt a coherent position rather than 'it might be peoples vote if' or 'it might be leave if'....

About bloody time. Labour are the problem here and have been all along.

 

[MK Shrimper]

About bloody time. Labour are the problem here and have been all along.

Now you're reaching. Labour have had no input in talks with the EU and the shambles it's been. There is only two people and one party to blame for this problem. David Cameron for kowtowing to the ERG Tory membership, Theresa May for making an absolute hash of 2 1/2 yrs of discussions.

If Cable backtracks and allows a no-deal to happen that will kill the Lib Dems forever as he's been talking about nothing but a 2nd Referendum.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

If we remain in the customs union we can't make our own trade deals, which was one of the reasons for voting leave.

There is no mandate for ruling out no deal. On the ballot paper it didn't say "leave but only if we get a deal". MPs voted to trigger article 50 which states that if no deal is agreed, we leave without one.

Labour have been criticising the government for a lack of dialogue over the negotiations and now Corbyn, a man who's happy to talk to Hamas and the IRA, refuses to sit down with the Prime Minister. The man's a joke. If Labour had a decent leader who came down strongly on one side, they might be in power now. Michael Gove's attack on Corbyn in the HoC last night was brilliant.

Some of the scare stories about no deal have already been disproven, for example the head of Calais port saying no deal would not lead to delays at the port. We already have several bilateral agreements with EU countries.

All the evidence points to a lack of planning for No Deal. If that is the route the government wanted to take they should have decided that a long time ago and focused their resources on that.
The party Corbyn talked to in NI signed up to the Good Friday Agreement, the party May has a support agreement with rejected the peace deal.
If people want to twist Brexit discussions into terrorist affiliations the May will come out a lot worse than Corbyn.

Which was the issue with Gove last night. Yes he came across as energetic, like a kid who necked a packet of skittles, and energy is good but he used it to attack the opposition which indicates that he hasn't got anything good to say about the current government which he was supposed to be doing.

So Gove and May spent their Parliamentary speeches attacking Corbyn then say 'let's have a chat, I'd love to hear your ideas'. This is why we are in this mess - that is their idea of negotiating.

Corbyn's Brexit wish list is well known - reject No Deal, protect workers rights, aim for a Customs Union. What else is there to say?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Now you're reaching. Labour have had no input in talks with the EU and the shambles it's been. There is only two people and one party to blame for this problem. David Cameron for kowtowing to the ERG Tory membership, Theresa May for making an absolute hash of 2 1/2 yrs of discussions.

If Cable backtracks and allows a no-deal to happen that will kill the Lib Dems forever as he's been talking about nothing more that a 2nd Referendum.

No, I don’t blame Cameron for tackling a problem head on and offering the people of this country a say. Theresa May also hasn’t ‘made an absolute hash’ of anything, that is - with respect - utter bollocks.

Yes, you want to remain but more people voted to leave and that is what we will and must do. The withdrawal agreement needs some tweaks to the backstop and the balance of what we get in terms of a say in new rules during transition relative to the payments we will still be making to the EU.

That’s it. Then it will be absolutely fine and it’s a heck of an achievement given all those criticising the withdrawal agreement are the very same folks who all along have been saying that any agreement would be completely impossible to achieve!

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Vince Cable has just attacked Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party for being determined to do no other than play party political games on Brexit. He has said Labour wont get Lib Dem support for any future no confidence motions. He has called on Jeremy Corbyn to come down off the fence and adopt a coherent position rather than 'it might be peoples vote if' or 'it might be leave if'....

About bloody time. Labour are the problem here and have been all along.

Check Vince Cable's twitter, all he does is attack Labour.
He wants Labour to come out for a 2nd referendum, the policy that got him 8% of the vote.
He was a major player in a Coalition with the Tories just 3 years ago and he is attacking Labour. Surprised face.

The Tories with the DUP can get any policy they want through Parliament if they can agree among themselves.
'Labour are the problem here and have been all along' - that is satire right?