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Brexit negotiations thread

It's not emotive and entirely bogus at all. Although I don't expect you to even remotely grasp where I'm coming from.

Up until 2015 when countries started closing their borders again it was the Schengen agreement that gave precisely that.

For years European countries and their political leaders were either too inept to foresee it or too concerned about the political fallout from even mentioning the potential consequences of uncontrolled migration from outside the EU bloc and the effect it was or would have on the social cohesion withing their respective countries.

Socially France has paid the price. Germany has paid the price. The UK has paid the price and overall Europe has paid the price.

To even broach the subject in any negative way whatsoever got you tagged as a racist, Islamophobe or both. And it still does.

Decades ago there were many on the right, and indeed a few on the left that foretold the problems that uncontrolled migration and open borders would cause and those same people also rightly foretold the problems that Europe has faced in recent years and all were decried and labelled as extremist and racist. A few even paid with their lives but all were right in what they foretold. Migration and the integration of peoples with widely differing attitudes, social histories, attitudes to accepted norms and cultures hasn't worked and never will work. That's why you see the upsurge in the popularity of far right groups across Europe. It's the inevitable backlash against the European elite that has systematically failed them for the last five or six decades.
 
It's not emotive and entirely bogus at all. Although I don't expect you to even remotely grasp where I'm coming from.

Up until 2015 when countries started closing their borders again it was the Schengen agreement that gave precisely that.

For years European countries and their political leaders were either too inept to foresee it or too concerned about the political fallout from even mentioning the potential consequences of uncontrolled migration from outside the EU bloc and the effect it was or would have on the social cohesion withing their respective countries.

Socially France has paid the price. Germany has paid the price. The UK has paid the price and overall Europe has paid the price.

To even broach the subject in any negative way whatsoever got you tagged as a racist, Islamophobe or both. And it still does.

Decades ago there were many on the right, and indeed a few on the left that foretold the problems that uncontrolled migration and open borders would cause and those same people also rightly foretold the problems that Europe has faced in recent years and all were decried and labelled as extremist and racist. A few even paid with their lives but all were right in what they foretold. Migration and the integration of peoples with widely differing attitudes, social histories, attitudes to accepted norms and cultures hasn't worked and never will work. That's why you see the upsurge in the popularity of far right groups across Europe. It's the inevitable backlash against the European elite that has systematically failed them for the last five or six decades.
'A few even paid with their lives'

who is that a reference to?
 
It's not emotive and entirely bogus at all. Although I don't expect you to even remotely grasp where I'm coming from.

Up until 2015 when countries started closing their borders again it was the Schengen agreement that gave precisely that.

For years European countries and their political leaders were either too inept to foresee it or too concerned about the political fallout from even mentioning the potential consequences of uncontrolled migration from outside the EU bloc and the effect it was or would have on the social cohesion withing their respective countries.

Socially France has paid the price. Germany has paid the price. The UK has paid the price and overall Europe has paid the price.

To even broach the subject in any negative way whatsoever got you tagged as a racist, Islamophobe or both. And it still does.

Decades ago there were many on the right, and indeed a few on the left that foretold the problems that uncontrolled migration and open borders would cause and those same people also rightly foretold the problems that Europe has faced in recent years and all were decried and labelled as extremist and racist. A few even paid with their lives but all were right in what they foretold. Migration and the integration of peoples with widely differing attitudes, social histories, attitudes to accepted norms and cultures hasn't worked and never will work. That's why you see the upsurge in the popularity of far right groups across Europe. It's the inevitable backlash against the European elite that has systematically failed them for the last five or six decades.
I know exactly where you're coming from. I just wonder who you will find to blame for society's ills when your drawbridge has been pulled up and you can't scapegoat those filthy foreigners anymore.
 
I know exactly where you're coming from. I just wonder who you will find to blame for society's ills when your drawbridge has been pulled up and you can't scapegoat those filthy foreigners anymore.

Pointless debating with anyone that has no knowledge of European history. Toodle pip. Second one to go on the list.
 
Pointless debating with anyone that has no knowledge of European history. Toodle pip. Second one to go on the list.
Precisely because I do know European history that I am able to dismiss your frankly warped and deeply unpleasant version as a grotesque travesty of the truth. As I said before, when little Englanders have got what they wanted they will have no one to blame but themselves. It will be interesting to see who the scapegoats wil be then.
 
Pointless debating with anyone that has no knowledge of European history. Toodle pip. Second one to go on the list.
I'd like to know what the list is that he has put you on but after the 'DIY' response I got to my last inquiry I doubt he'll want to tell me.

Not that long till Christmas, maybe that's the list you are on ('....checking it twice...')
 
[QUOTE="blues exile, post: 2086513, member: 14172"]I have read it and the main thrust of the book is paranoid fear of Islam, something which Murray, a staunch suporter of 'Tommy Robinson' is obsessed with.[/QUOTE]

Not the audio book version I trust? :Winking:
 
Just seen that Laura Kuenssberg has said there are rumours in Westminster that May is going to tell her cabinet on Tuesday that they either sign off on her Brexit deal or walk out of the cabinet. If true, I wonder how many will have the guts to challenge her. Probably none.
 
Just seen that Laura Kuenssberg has said there are rumours in Westminster that May is going to tell her cabinet on Tuesday that they either sign off on her Brexit deal or walk out of the cabinet. If true, I wonder how many will have the guts to challenge her. Probably none.
Chequers all over again if true. She'll be fine on Tuesday, its Wednesday she needs to worry about!
 
Precisely because I do know European history that I am able to dismiss your frankly warped and deeply unpleasant version as a grotesque travesty of the truth. As I said before, when little Englanders have got what they wanted they will have no one to blame but themselves. It will be interesting to see who the scapegoats wil be then.

IMO immigration into the UK was manageable up until the early 2000's, when it suddenly increased and became unmanageable. Immigration into the EU exploded in 2015 and has caused no end of problems, especially for the countries that were and still are the entry points. It is not surprising that the, so called, far right is gaining ground. Why anyone would think that opposing mass immigration is unpleasant is beyond reason. And I 'm not a little Englander as I come from North of the border.
 
IMO immigration into the UK was manageable up until the early 2000's, when it suddenly increased and became unmanageable. Immigration into the EU exploded in 2015 and has caused no end of problems, especially for the countries that were and still are the entry points. It is not surprising that the, so called, far right is gaining ground. Why anyone would think that opposing mass immigration is unpleasant is beyond reason. And I 'm not a little Englander as I come from North of the border.
I think you are confusing immigration with the refugee crisis, two different things.
 

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