Brexit negotiations thread

[rigsby]

Do you actually know the difference between perfectly legal immigration and refugees?

I think he was referring to the fact that 99 % are not refugees on these boats... They are illegal immigrants.... As defined by international law.

 

[blues exile]

OK I’ll go first....The current situation with the Fishing industry. When you add up the knock on effects it’s the losss of 3m jobs.

A small example of even recent years. Local sports fisherman can’t keep a single bass when fishing.... Even off the beach in front of me.....That means less charter boats, less work for bait diggers and a local shop closing down.

Yet European boats are still draining our seas of fish and French sports fisherman can keep 5 bass per day.

We end up buying farm grown in Greece bass, that tastes nothing like the real thing.

Yet that prize attention seeking p****, Geldof hired a boat to abuse honest fisherman. Who, if had more rights, would ensure better conservation than we have now.

Glad you mentioned the British fishing industry, because that's one of the biggest red herrings of all, so to speak. Nothing to do with Brussels, the UK government have allowed half a dozen fish producer organisations to possess 97% of English quotas. Just one super trawler, British flagged but Dutch owned, has the right to catch 94% of the English herring quota in the Atlantic and North Sea. This is what is putting small British fishermen out of business, not Brussels. Entirely down to the UK government.

See www.lifeplatform.eu

 

[blues exile]

I think he was referring to the fact that 99 % are not refugees on these boats... They are illegal immigrants.... As defined by international law.

Is that a fact!

 

[Swiss Tony]

Opening yourself up to a whole world of pain there from anyone with some time to spare on a little research. Sometimes it's just best not to say anything

Green houses eh.

 

[Swiss Tony]

I think we all wish it was over but with 5 months to go still no deal.
When she finally admits she has made Brexit unworkable May will have created a lot of ex Tory voters.

A massive example of wishful thinking ***.

 

[rigsby]

Is that a fact!

Of course. You have to be coming from a war torn country and declare your a refugee in the first country you come to.

if you don’t your illegal....As defined by international law.

Of course the worst thing is you deprive a genuine woman or child. Like I say some people avoid the truth in case they upset someone at a gathering in Crouch End.

 

[Bielzibubz]

Was the Swedish foreign affairs minister lieing in 2016 when, in a rare moment of political honesty, that of all those migrants that came to his country throughout 2015 fully 60% were economic and male between the ages of 16 and 35 and not fleeing persecution or imminent personal threat?

 

[Stan33]

A 'wonderful historic day' the sheer folly of which you will have ample time to reflect on in years to come.

Give it a break mate ,we were never asked to join the EU ,we survived quite well on our own before ,I'm sure we will do it again

 

[Yorkshire Blue]

Glad you mentioned the British fishing industry, because that's one of the biggest red herrings of all, so to speak. Nothing to do with Brussels, the UK government have allowed half a dozen fish producer organisations to possess 97% of English quotas. Just one super trawler, British flagged but Dutch owned, has the right to catch 94% of the English herring quota in the Atlantic and North Sea. This is what is putting small British fishermen out of business, not Brussels. Entirely down to the UK government.

See www.lifeplatform.eu

Even if it was the EU to blame we’d have to look at why British representation in the EU failed - where our representative turned up to one out of 40+ EU fishery committee meetings, all whilst pocketing the EU’s money and wrongly claiming expenses. You may have heard of him - Question Time’s Nigel Farage.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

A massive example of wishful thinking ***.

Can't read the last word that you wrote and it may completely change the meaning of what you wrote - wishful thinking what?

5 months to go. You think May will still manage to get Brexit to happen - what do you think she is going to come up with that will get through the EU, ERG, DUP and the soft Brexit / Remain Tory MPs?

Putting what I want to happen to one side I'm interested in your opinion that this is still going to happen - how?

 

[blues exile]

Give it a break mate ,we were never asked to join the EU ,we survived quite well on our own before ,I'm sure we will do it again

And of course the world is exactly the same as it was more than 40 years ago.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

Give it a break mate ,we were never asked to join the EU ,we survived quite well on our own before ,I'm sure we will do it again

there is a very big difference between surviving on our own before and trying to extract us from 40 years of laws and treaties and practicalities and trying to replace all of those in a matter of months. Even no deal and going onto WTO rules is not a given as numerous countries in the WTO have objected to our proposed change of status.
We don't have the quality of leadership or the volume of staff to make this happen smoothly.

 

[rigsby]

Glad you mentioned the British fishing industry, because that's one of the biggest red herrings of all, so to speak. Nothing to do with Brussels, the UK government have allowed half a dozen fish producer organisations to possess 97% of English quotas. Just one super trawler, British flagged but Dutch owned, has the right to catch 94% of the English herring quota in the Atlantic and North Sea. This is what is putting small British fishermen out of business, not Brussels. Entirely down to the UK government.

See www.lifeplatform.eu

So you think we should have our own quotas, set by our own parliament?

Do you think the EU should be allowed to deplete fish stocks in British waters?

Once we leave we can of course have stricter rules over who does what.

I can see a wind farm out in the Thames Estury from my house. Made in Germany and Denmark. Lifted into place by a Dutch firm, using Dutch crane and equipment.

The reason all this happens and we don’t invest in the people and the ability to achieve these projects is down to our own politicians. Their payday is always in Brussels.

Of course after Brexit, we the people now have the chance to change this attitude.

 

[rigsby]

Can't read the last word that you wrote and it may completely change the meaning of what you wrote - wishful thinking what?

5 months to go. You think May will still manage to get Brexit to happen - what do you think she is going to come up with that will get through the EU, ERG, DUP and the soft Brexit / Remain Tory MPs?

Putting what I want to happen to one side I'm interested in your opinion that this is still going to happen - how?

TM wouldn’t be many people’s choice for negociations but as the British voting public pointed out to you last year... She is still better than Corbyn and he actually suppports Brexit.

 

[blues exile]

Nothing wrong with the present quota system, as my earlier post stated, it's how that quota is applied which is the problem. The UK government chose to give the quota overwhelmingly to a small number of companies, that is why there is a problem. Nothing to do with the EU that the UK government chose to sacrifice the small fishing fleets in favour of big business, but then that's what Tories do.

 

[rigsby]

Nothing wrong with the present quota system, as my earlier post stated, it's how that quota is applied which is the problem. The UK government chose to give the quota overwhelmingly to a small number of companies, that is why there is a problem. Nothing to do with the EU that the UK government chose to sacrifice the small fishing fleets in favour of big business, but then that's what Tories do.

I’m sure you know but there are more than one species of fish.

The reason our quotas are small, or for some of us are at zero. Is because off over fishing by the EU.

How many Brits would be allowed to set up as a Gondolier in Venice ?

PS. We al have to suffer the Tories because Labour have deserted their core voters.....The true working class

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

TM wouldn’t be many people’s choice for negociations but as the British voting public pointed out to you last year... She is still better than Corbyn and he actually suppports Brexit.

She said she was calling an election 3 years early so that the pubic could show they backed her Brexit policy, and the public answered that they weren't sure enough about that to give her as much support as she had inherited from Cameron or even enough to form a government without cutting a deal with a party who don't feature on the vast majority of ballot papers.

That election was a big indicator of how much she was going to let down the Leave voting public.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

I was always pro EU until cammie went to discuss the terms of our membership and was waved away with a firm no, and the EU would not change. For me when an elected leader cannot alter the terms of our membership or put forward new proposals its simply un democratic. Parliament changes laws all the time its what happens in a democracy. This is all of the EUs own making. This could have all be avoided by changing our membership and maybe every other members to something different. I have no problem with freedom of movement and all the other things the EU offers /doesn't offer, as I have always been an advocate of the EU

On the contrary the UK has always been a semi-detached member of the EU.WE're not members of the Eurozone or Schengen for example.Not only that but Thatcher managed to negotiate a massive rebate from the EU,Cameron's "reforms" had no chance of changing public opinion in the UK.They were rubbished by the Tory press and media.

 

[Another Surrey Shrimper]

On the contrary the UK has always been a semi-detached member of the EU.WE're not members of the Eurozone or Schengen for example.Not only that but Thatcher managed to negotiate a massive rebate from the EU,Cameron's "reforms" had no chance of changing public opinion in the UK.They were rubbished by the Tory press and media.

Cameron went into his reform discussions on the back of months of him personally slating the EU in general and Junker in particular. What did he expect to achieve after creating that atmosphere? Classic Cameron - no understanding of consequences of your actions.

 

[blues exile]

I’m sure you know but there are more than one species of fish.

The reason our quotas are small, or for some of us are at zero. Is because off over fishing by the EU.

How many Brits would be allowed to set up as a Gondolier in Venice ?

PS. We al have to suffer the Tories because Labour have deserted their core voters.....The true working class

Our quotas are not small, it's the way they are applied. And you can't make cheddar cheese in Italy.