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Supershrimper said:
Low-value shoplifting, defined as theft from a shop of goods worth £200 or less, is considered a "summary-only" offence for the purposes of deciding the trial venue. This means it can be tried in the Magistrates' Court rather than the Crown Court1. However, it remains an "indictable" offence for other purposes, including those outlined in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (which permits citizens’ arrests at section 24A, and warrantless searches at sections 18 and 32)
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Ed Smyth of The Law Society Gazette, said this of that same act you have quoted. I think it's best to agree to disagree on this one and leave it at that Supershrimper. I'm sure we can both find articles saying do the Citizens arrest, and not do the citizens arrest. So I can certainly see your side. The other thing a lot say before making the citizens arrest, is call the police first, Lol. By the time the police dispatcher in another County asks you lots of questions about you, the incident, and your location, the offence is over and the shoplifter is well gone.

Ed Smyth.
Also of relevance here – perhaps more so – is section 24A of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, which was introduced on 1 January 2006. This section explicitly permits a person (not necessarily a 'citizen') who is not a police officer to arrest another person who is in the act of committing an 'indictable' criminal offence, a person who is guilty of such an offence, or someone who the bystander has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing or to have committed an indictable offence.

The potential hero must therefore understand which offences fall into the 'indictable' category, those offences that may be tried at the Crown Court. Some are obvious: rape, murder, grievous bodily harm, and illegal possession of a firearm. But some ostensibly 'serious' offences fall into the 'summary only' category, meaning they can only be dealt with at the magistrates’ court and in respect of which the citizen is not permitted to arrest. Such summary offences include criminal damage (other than arson) up to a value of £5,000, common assault and threatening and disorderly behaviour.

The problem is becoming clear: there can be few members of the general public who would be able to make the properly informed assessment, in the heat of the moment, of whether the potential criminal offence they suspect they are witnessing falls into the correct category to trigger lawful powers of arrest under section 24A. Even police officers can and do misclassify suspected offences.
 
THE SEVENTIES NORTH BANK said:
So I was in the Sainsbury's Local, opposite the Tesco petrol station Southchurch Road today, when a young lady walks in and blatantly starts stuffing refrigerated food into obviously made for purpose, massive pouches inside her huge coat that swamped her. She took about 10 items, and a member of staff said 'That's enough now'', but she told him to f-off, and took a few more bits. It was all done within about a minute. Then calmly walked out. The member of staff said to another shopper watching, there's nothing he can do, the amount was too small for the police. He said her boyfriend came in earlier to do the same thing.
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I saw a chap shoplifting in the CoOp on Benfleet high street.

He was wearing old school 70's style roller boots presumably for a quick getaway.
 
Premier Inn buffet breakfast in Leeds.

The chef wasn’t on the ball and there were empty trays all the time so you couldn’t get a full complement of items at any visit.

Being up North punters were going all in as well so as soon as a tray had been replenished people started taking the **** with portions. A gym bro in front of me took the last four eggs and six sheets of bacon.

There should be a lower price for those of us who just take a regular portion and we should get priority queue treatment.

If you really must take a kilo of food then you should have to wait.

The sausages were really poor as well.

I only ate there because my wife had a hangover. On my next business trip I will return to my usual bowl of fruit and fibre in my room.
 
Supershrimper said:
Customers can perform a citizens arrest, but i believe staff within shops are told to "let them leave" It's OK though, the shops budget for this and it's factored into the main supermarket and high street shops costs that general joe public actually paid.

The staff can take the coat, retrieve the items then hand the coat back.

If by accident an elbow accidently lands that is I believe called "just desserts"
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Why risk a stabbing over a loaf of bread and pack of ham !!
 
pottster said:
If i ever go into the greggs in romford I'm pretty sure I'm the only person that actually pays for stuff. Most just walk in and help themselves
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Glad I’m not the only one seeing this, Basildon is just go in and grab and walk out, though new shop has been now modelled to not make it so easy
Just cannot believe the brazen attitude as if it’s a right for them, give them a slap and they go crying on the police having their rights violated
 
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