Ukip

[mrsblue]

You know that Shami was Director of the protest organisation Liberty from September 2003 to March 2016 so if you have seen her on TV a lot protesting then she was clearly doing her job?

You know the Tories have been in power for 6 years and despite the promise of reducing immigration to the tens of thousands it has grown in their time and is at a higher level than under Labour?

You know that immigration from EU countries is lower than non EU counties?

You know that Farage wasn't your boy and you are claiming him in hindsight. Your boy was Godfrey Bloom - remember? He was the one who you said spoke for you, but by the time you allied yourself with him he had left UKIP but stuck with his MEP salary as an independent. He was your boy.

Bloom spoke to me ?,your mixed up as I have never met the man let alone speak to him.

Bloom was a funny guy very eccentric and clearly mad,he was the circus act,he never spoke for me at all.

 

[mrsblue]

How silly of Corbyn, he wants to be a man of the people but he really has missed a trick by not drinking and smoking in public :dim:

Jezza could drink Tennents Extra and smoke weed and still will never capture the people's imagination.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Jezza could drink Tennents Extra and smoke weed and still will never capture the people's imagination.

Amazing how the membership of the Labour Party has rocketed then isn't it?

 

[mrsblue]

Amazing how the membership of the Labour Party has rocketed then isn't it?

Their membership is open to abuse,they have little idea if some members are fake.

600,000 members means very little in the grand scheme of things,they need around 18 million voters possibly more.

 

[MK Shrimper]

Their membership is open to abuse,they have little idea if some members are fake.

600,000 members means very little in the grand scheme of things,they need around 18 million voters possibly more.

If non Labour voters think that Corbyn will never be PM, why would they bother spending £3 a month?

 

[callan]

Sure - UKIP helped to force a referendum by splitting the right wing vote so the Tories felt the need to steal their clothes. But Farage probably put off more voters than he appealed to. I'm offering a positive appraisal of a UKIP MEP and suggesting his style may appeal to a cross section of the public - if the EU is unpopular with the UK public maybe Farage delayed the referendum by coming across as a bit of a prick.


You didn't decide which way to vote in the referendum until a few days before - if Farage was that convincing surely you wouldn't have had that wobble.

Farage certainly came across as bitter and angry in the run up to the 2015 GE, and I don't doubt that will have put many off.
The referendum itself was a joke from start to finish in terms of the campaign, and very few of our politicians should escape criticism for that.
Having said that it is now a matter for the history books in terms of which side won, and Farage whatever your view of him was pivotal in bringing a referendum and delivering the result he wanted.
I did have concerns regarding leaving the EU, and still have....however clearly as my vote was to leave I personally saw better opportunities outside of what is in my view a corrupt and undemocratic institution.
As a family we delayed our decision to the weekend prior to the vote to listen to what our kids views were.

 

[mrsblue]

If non Labour voters think that Corbyn will never be PM, why would they bother spending £3 a month?

Rich Tory donors would gladly spend money on keeping Jezza as LP leader,they know whilst he is in charge the party will never be in power.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Last night's QT was held in Boston,the area of the country which registered the highest level of support for leave in the referendum.

As someone on the panel pointed out, it's an area of the country which has been "left behind" by successive governments,both Labour and the Tories.

That's unlikely to change,IMO.

 

[rigsby]

The EU is the sum of its parts. If a part leaves it loses strength so it's not scientific to break a bit off then say 'told you' if what is left is weakened or fails.
That would be like Bentley leaving Southend and we then let loads of goals in and him saying 'see I told you we were ****'. In that scenario we would need a Brentford to want us but we are back of the queue on that and may end up teaming up with Carlisle - about as far away as you can get and poorly supported but grab what you can.

If only someone had explained the EU so clearly before. We would have all voted remain.

The irony is, Farage won because his message was clear.

 

[mrsblue]

The EU is the sum of its parts. If a part leaves it loses strength so it's not scientific to break a bit off then say 'told you' if what is left is weakened or fails.
That would be like Bentley leaving Southend and we then let loads of goals in and him saying 'see I told you we were ****'. In that scenario we would need a Brentford to want us but we are back of the queue on that and may end up teaming up with Carlisle - about as far away as you can get and poorly supported but grab what you can.

Germany rules the roost and the other nations tow the line,Brexit will change all of that,as other nations are failing to keep the right silent.

French and Italians are now demanding their own referendum,Eastern Europe have now closed their borders to anymore migrants,it's all changing.

 

[callan]

Last night's QT was held in Boston,the area of the country which registered the highest level of support for leave in the referendum.

As someone on the panel pointed out, it's an area of the country which has been "left behind" by successive governments,both Labour and the Tories.

That's unlikely to change,IMO.

Odd isn't it that areas that have felt the full weight of immigration (add Wisbech, Spalding, Skegness, March, Downham Market etc) aren't prospering and are as you put it 'left behind'.

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

Odd isn't it that areas that have felt the full weight of immigration (add Wisbech, Spalding, Skegness, March, Downham Market etc) aren't prospering and are as you put it 'left behind'.

As you well know,"the full weight of immigration" that these essentially rural areas have experienced, is largely in the field of unskilled labour eg crop picking,canning etc,which it would appear that young British workers are no longer prepared to do for the wages on offer.

 

[callan]

As you well know,"the full weight of immigration" that these essentially rural areas have experienced, is largely in the field of unskilled labour eg crop picking,canning etc,which it would appear that young British workers are no longer prepared to do for the wages on offer.

It has nothing to do with wages, but more of an us and them attitude that is in absolute abundance.
The local perception of immigrant labour is that it has come at a cost to the indigenous population both in terms of housing and labour conditions, followed by impact on local services.
In addition to the influx of immigrants from the EU etc, there has also been a large movement of people into the area from Essex and the London suburbs, keeping local housing prices artificially high, I live in a small village of 400 people described by local estate agents as affluent....it is now an unaffordable option for the bulk of the local population and immigrants alike.

 

[mrsblue]

As you well know,"the full weight of immigration" that these essentially rural areas have experienced, is largely in the field of unskilled labour eg crop picking,canning etc,which it would appear that young British workers are no longer prepared to do for the wages on offer.

Labour's fault,they made the dole so easy for claimants it was an utter joke.

Dole....got a job here picking spuds
Layabout...you off your head when I get £500 pw for doing nothing.
Dole...ok no problem see you in 6 months.

 

[rigsby]

As you well know,"the full weight of immigration" that these essentially rural areas have experienced, is largely in the field of unskilled labour eg crop picking,canning etc,which it would appear that young British workers are no longer prepared to do for the wages on offer.

If you go to Australia part of the visa requires you to work on a farm for 3 months. Two of her Ladyships children are doing just that at the moment, even though they had good jobs in Sydney and one of them has some sort of fiancé visa they still have to do their stint on the Farm.

They are really enjoying their time outdoors. In Britain farm work has been stigmatised with slave labour and living in caravans.

For those of us growing up in the 70's, all the local farms managed with plenty of part time school age labour. Perhaps we could reduce the child obesity and migration crisis if they picked strawberries and earned some money instead of parents paying for them to attend the fat club.

 

[Ricky Otto]

If you go to Australia part of the visa requires you to work on a farm for 3 months. Two of her Ladyships children are doing just that at the moment, even though they had good jobs in Sydney and one of them has some sort of fiancé visa they still have to do their stint on the Farm.

They are really enjoying their time outdoors. In Britain farm work has been stigmatised with slave labour and living in caravans.

For those of us growing up in the 70's, all the local farms managed with plenty of part time school age labour. Perhaps we could reduce the child obesity and migration crisis if they picked strawberries and earned some money instead of parents paying for them to attend the fat club.

If you want a second year visa, yes. You get a year without doing the specified regional work. They don't check all applications though and if you apply for a 2nd year with the ABN from one of these farms the chances are you'll get the visa without having to do the work :winking::whistling:

 

[rigsby]

If you want a second year visa, yes. You get a year without doing the specified regional work. They don't check all applications though and if you apply for a 2nd year with the ABN from one of these farms the chances are you'll get the visa without having to do the work :winking::whistling:

So I'm told they are clamping down on things, as people have set up scams to say you have worked on a farm. If you get caught your kicked out for at least 3 years. It goes without saying the Aussies take this sort thing far more serious than us.

 

[Ricky Otto]

So I'm told they are clamping down on things, as people have set up scams to say you have worked on a farm. If you get caught your kicked out for at least 3 years. It goes without saying the Aussies take this sort thing far more serious than us.

That was the official line when I was there too, but all the English lads playing over there that got caught overstaying their visa were just deported with no further punishment. They only got caught if they got into trouble as well i.e speeding or something, I know a guy there from Preston working there at the moment who has been there illegally for nearly 4 years doing a cash in hand job

 

[Tangled up in Blue]

It has nothing to do with wages, but more of an us and them attitude that is in absolute abundance.
The local perception of immigrant labour is that it has come at a cost to the indigenous population both in terms of housing and labour conditions, followed by impact on local services.
In addition to the influx of immigrants from the EU etc, there has also been a large movement of people into the area from Essex and the London suburbs, keeping local housing prices artificially high, I live in a small village of 400 people described by local estate agents as affluent....it is now an unaffordable option for the bulk of the local population and immigrants alike.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/30/uk-heading-for-hard-brexit-say-european-diplomats


In the event of a hard Brexit,which seems increasingly likely,it remains to be seen how the demand for low skilled labour is going to be fulfilled without access to free movement from the EU.

Any ideas?

Perhaps we should impose an Aussie style visa sytem? :winking:

 

[callan]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/30/uk-heading-for-hard-brexit-say-european-diplomats


In the event of a hard Brexit,which seems increasingly likely,it remains to be seen how the demand for low skilled labour is going to be fulfilled without access to free movement from the EU.

Any ideas?

Perhaps we should impose an Aussie style visa sytem? :winking:

You and the guardian are jumping the gun here.... Nothing has been negotiated as yet and until the terms are decided you should follow your own advice not to speculate :winking: